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re: WSHH: Police Officer Shoots And Kills Unarmed Man During A Traffic Stop!
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:02 pm to tigersownall
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:02 pm to tigersownall
You can't just look through a pinhole at one piece of evidence....you have to look at all the evidence and the totality of the situation.
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:03 pm to theenemy
As far as I'm concerned that would have been circumstantial evidence at the time of this traffic stop. That cop didn't know shite. And based of his first murder he is just a trigger happy piece of nervous shite. The similarities in both shootings can't go unnoticed.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:04 pm to theenemy
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You or me could have shot and robbed a methamphetamine dealer, then fled on foot from the police earlier that day?
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT DUE PROCESS IS? Jesus fricking Christ.
Who let in the commie? Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:10 pm to tigersownall
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As far as I'm concerned that would have been circumstantial evidence at the time of this traffic stop. That cop didn't know shite
But he did know. My understanding is that he was aware of all that and recognized the guy when he made contact with the people in the car.
That is what caused the stop to escalate.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:11 pm to theenemy
You know they lie in police reports to cover their own arse all the time right?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:15 pm to tigersownall
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You know they lie in police reports to cover their own arse all the time right?
He might not know. Depends on whether or not they clue in the bottom bitch.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:22 pm to tigersownall
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You know they lie in police reports to cover their own arse all the time right?
Ok, so catch them in the lie.
But you still need all the facts instead of making your decision based solely on a portion of the evidence.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:25 pm to theenemy
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You can't just look through a pinhole at one piece of evidence....you have to look at all the evidence and the totality of the situation.
Sorry, I have a real problem with police escalating non violent situations and shooting unarmed people. You should as well.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:26 pm to theenemy
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But you still need all the facts instead of making your decision based solely on a portion of the evidence.
Unless you're a cop executing someone and part of the justification was the alleged crime committed previously, right?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sorry, I have a real problem with police escalating non violent situations and shooting unarmed people. You should as well.
Absolutely. I'm looking at it from 3 standpoints:
Civilly-----need more info, but it looks bad.
Administratively----no question, this officer needs to be removed from the streets and probably from the force all together.
Criminally---need more info.
And let me point out....we don't know what was happening inside the vehicle....need more info on that.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:41 pm to theenemy
Have you ever done meth man? It can make you fiddgity. Ole boy was nervous. And now I'm seeing that video of him crying all over my Facebook. My god.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:45 pm to tigersownall
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Have you ever done meth man?
Can't say that I have.
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It can make you fiddgity
Along with paranoid and psychotic.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:11 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
From what I saw, not justified. I can somewhat understand that pointing a gun at someone and telling them that if they don't show their hands you will shoot and they continue to reach you should be alarmed. But he better have seen what he was reaching for and know it was a weapon. Can't shoot someone imo for reaching for their dope to swallow.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:30 pm to ocelot4ark
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This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sorry, I have a real problem with police escalating non violent situations and shooting unarmed people. You should as well.
Rational people do
Posted on 1/10/15 at 2:49 pm to uway
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quote: (Reasonable to believe a man wanted for shooting someone would have a gun.) Just for the record, our soldiers in combat have stricter rules of engagement than that. They cant shoot until they see a gun.
Then we got some murdering soldiers, especially in the Air Force and Navy.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 2:56 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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From what I saw, not justified. I can somewhat understand that pointing a gun at someone and telling them that if they don't show their hands you will shoot and they continue to reach you should be alarmed. But he better have seen what he was reaching for and know it was a weapon. Can't shoot someone imo for reaching for their dope to swallow.
While I'm certainly not one of those "let's use less than lethal force" people, couldn't he have moved away rather than standing closely by while some high guy fidgets around? Doesn't that make more sense than shooting someone without a real indication of danger?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 3:12 pm to Monticello
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Why? You think he randomly decided to pull over someone to get his blood lust craving for the day
Considering that's the second person he's killed and his actions afterwards you have to wonder
Posted on 1/10/15 at 3:16 pm to Pettifogger
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couldn't he have moved away rather than standing closely by while some high guy fidgets around? Doesn't that make more sense than shooting someone without a real indication of danger?
Wait...what?
How do you arrest someone for armed robbery and agg assault or attempted murder by moving away from him?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 3:25 pm to Monk
A buddy got pulled over at night and drove into a gas station. After a few minutes of him talking to the officer I got out his truck to go inside and pee. Immediately had a flashlight in my face and saw the cop had his hand on his gun. I was commanded to stop and show my hands. I didn't say I know my rights or I didn't do anything. I didn't say I was unarmed. I froze in my tracks and put my damn hands up. Cop asked and told him what I was doing. He said go ahead. End of confrontation with blood thirsty cop.
First video you can't see shite so I don't know. Does seem excessive to shoot a guy while he's being tazed but I can't see anything. Maybe he missed. It was quick so maybe he didn't realize the other cop was even tazing him. Maybe he wanted to shoot somebody.
Looks like he was good this time till he figured out who it was. You can see his demeanor change. Hand didn't go to gun till then. First command is semi calm. Second escalates. Third and fourth more so. The guy was apparently high on meth and probably couldn't keep his hands up. If I'm an officer, suddenly discover a vehicle has a violent felon in it with a mind altering drug history, and he's the passenger is not following instructions I would be nervous as shite. He can't run back to his car. He can't determine if back up is only 1 minute away. I can't say I would do anything different though I don't know if the guys hands were even remotely reaching for anything. Maybe this guy is too unstable to carry a gun. I know he shouldn't anymore. Not after two instances where it's not clear as day justified.
At night, in a situation like this, just do what they say. Hands up, put your hands up and leave them up. Any cop is immediately on guard at night. One wrong decision and they are on trial for murder. Another one and they are shot dead because they hesitated. TLDR, never be a cop
First video you can't see shite so I don't know. Does seem excessive to shoot a guy while he's being tazed but I can't see anything. Maybe he missed. It was quick so maybe he didn't realize the other cop was even tazing him. Maybe he wanted to shoot somebody.
Looks like he was good this time till he figured out who it was. You can see his demeanor change. Hand didn't go to gun till then. First command is semi calm. Second escalates. Third and fourth more so. The guy was apparently high on meth and probably couldn't keep his hands up. If I'm an officer, suddenly discover a vehicle has a violent felon in it with a mind altering drug history, and he's the passenger is not following instructions I would be nervous as shite. He can't run back to his car. He can't determine if back up is only 1 minute away. I can't say I would do anything different though I don't know if the guys hands were even remotely reaching for anything. Maybe this guy is too unstable to carry a gun. I know he shouldn't anymore. Not after two instances where it's not clear as day justified.
At night, in a situation like this, just do what they say. Hands up, put your hands up and leave them up. Any cop is immediately on guard at night. One wrong decision and they are on trial for murder. Another one and they are shot dead because they hesitated. TLDR, never be a cop
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