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re: Why you should hope life isn't found in space: The Fermi Paradox / Great Filter
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:00 pm to Walking the Earth
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:00 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:There is an assumption in there that civilizations "10,000 years ahead of us" are actually intellectually ahead of us. They may have been in existence for 10,000 years more than humans, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are more advanced intellectually than we are. Right?
Exactly. A civilization a mere 10,000 years ahead of us would have abilities at their disposal that we couldn't imagine.
One out there that's a million or more years ahead? How in the hell could we possibly begin to even conceive of their existence unless they just blatantly popped up and said "Here we are!"
And I disagree with an earlier posted assumption that "1 percent of civilizations should get to Type III". That is so powerful that it seems like fractions of a percent ever get that advanced/lucky.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:01 pm to LSU03
anyone think we're just in another dimension and will never see/hear them? They'd be advanced enough to jump in and out of them? duh
they probably listen to everything we think.
they probably listen to everything we think.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:06 pm to weagle99
Why are we supposed to believe that there is this one "Great Filter"?
There have been, what, five or six mass extinctions in the history of the planet? Countless smaller catastrophic events in between?
There have been, what, five or six mass extinctions in the history of the planet? Countless smaller catastrophic events in between?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 1:18 pm to The Sad Banana
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There is an assumption in there that civilizations "10,000 years ahead of us" are actually intellectually ahead of us. They may have been in existence for 10,000 years more than humans, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are more advanced intellectually than we are. Right?
True but I think the implication in my post was that, in this hypothetical, "10,000 years ahead" was referring to technological advancement and not strictly chronological.
Of course, in this vast Universe of ours, I don't have any problem believing that some planet out there has some 3 billion year old fungus that never evolved as their dominant life form.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 2:55 pm to Walking the Earth
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One possibility: The Great Filter could be at the very beginning—it might be incredibly unusual for life to begin at all. This is a candidate because it took about a billion years of Earth’s existence to finally happen, and because we have tried extensively to replicate that event in labs and have never been able to do it. If this is indeed The Great Filter, it would mean that not only is there no intelligent life out there, there may be no other life at all.
Another possibility: The Great Filter could be the jump from the simple prokaryote cell to the complex eukaryote cell. After prokaryotes came into being, they remained that way for almost two billion years before making the evolutionary jump to being complex and having a nucleus. If this is The Great Filter, it would mean the universe is teeming with simple prokaryote cells and almost nothing beyond that.
I'm not saying I believe this is the case, but based on our knowledge (hopefully extremely limited knowledge of the universe) to date, this theory cannot be eliminated.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 3:04 pm to weagle99
Posted on 11/14/14 at 3:05 pm to DthVllyDud
What if there are aliens right now posting on alien versions of Tigerdroppings.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 3:06 pm to Scruffy
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Possibly began as a symbiotic relationship between two prokaryotic organisms.
This is actually the best guess we can probably have now. Proof of concept already exists in various forms such as our vary own mitochondria.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 3:40 pm to The Sad Banana
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There is an assumption in there that civilizations "10,000 years ahead of us" are actually intellectually ahead of us. They may have been in existence for 10,000 years more than humans, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are more advanced intellectually than we are. Right?
There seems to be an assumption that all things in the universe are just like humans. We think a certain way and progress at speeds that may or may not be like ET. Where we rushed to build the atomic bomb to win WWII, they may have taken a hundred years of research before doing the first experiment with atomic bombs or power.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:02 pm to Broke
You ever read some of the threads on here?
We've got people from strange planets posting on this version Of Tigerdroppings.
We've got people from strange planets posting on this version Of Tigerdroppings.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:26 pm to deltaland
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Or, ya know, there's the whole God thing too.
My man.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:36 pm to Mie2cents
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My man.
Without turning this into a Political Talk thread...
After reading the entire article, which I find amazingly interesting and awesome to think about, no one who is being 100% honest can claim that "In the beginning God...." is anymore or less plausible than The Great Filter or any of the universe creation theories we know about to date. Even the most accepted Big Bang Theory cannot be rationally explained or proved within the current scope of human scientific knowledge.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:39 pm to Rust Cohle
Billions bud. Billions.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:42 pm to NOLALGD
Strong inferences are made to produce the closest thing to fact, but isn't "proven" yet.
If you map our known universe, and reverse the path it is on you get convergence to a single area.
If you map our known universe, and reverse the path it is on you get convergence to a single area.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:51 pm to deltaland
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Or, ya know, there's the whole God thing too.
And suddenly...
UPVOTES AND DOWNVOTES!
Posted on 11/14/14 at 4:59 pm to ellunchboxo
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I still think we are the aliens.
Like... woah.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 5:32 pm to Sev09
Has anyone considered that if the Great Filter indeed pasted us by at some point in our ancient past, that perhaps aliens visited us, fricked our women, and by doing so boosted our species beyond the Great Filter with their evolutionarily advanced alien semen?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 5:34 pm to LSUBoo
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I think most people are behind the filter.
I agree. But, fwiw, I'm certainly FAR ahead of the filter.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 5:36 pm to mizzoukills
This whole premise is dumb. Some guy literally just mad up a load of bullshite and is now famous for it.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 5:41 pm to Salmon
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odds are there is intelligent life
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no doubt
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Odds are they will never be able to contact us and we will never be able to contact them.
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which really sucks
Wrong. We should be thankful that we have no contact with alien life.
What makes you think alien life will be friendly?
If we use humans as an example, think about what we do to other lifeforms on Earth. We hunt for sport and use specimens for research...hell we do that to each other.
Why would aliens treat us any differently than we treat a monkey in a lab?
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