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On this day 75 years ago...Berlin is set ablaze and the Battle of Manila begins
Posted on 2/3/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/3/20 at 9:37 am
February 3, 1945.
Armed with intelligence that the Sixth Panzer Army was moving through Berlin via the railway system on its way to the Eastern Front, the USAAF promptly launched the largest air raid on Berlin of the war. Thinking that the Germans would use the Tempelhof railyard for the move, the American commanders set their sights on the city center.
Nearly 1,000 B-17s, escorted by 575 P-51 Mustangs, attacked the Berlin railyards just before noon. Utilizing high explosive ordinance, the bombers severely damaged the districts of Friedrichstadt, Luisenstadt, and Friedrichshain. Nearly 2,900 civilians were killed, while a further 20,000 were wounded and an additional 80,000 were made homeless. The fires spread rapidly, burning for four straight days, destroying everything in their path.
By this period in the war, German anti-aircraft defenses had been severely weakened by quantity and quality of ammunition. As a result, only 36 of the nearly 1,600 U.S. aircraft were shot down.
On the other side of the world, General Douglas MacArthur's campaign to liberate the Philippines was (seemingly) reaching its climax with the start of the Battle of Manila. 35,000 men of the U.S. XIV Army Corps (Lt. General Oscar Griswold commanding) converged on the city from every approachable direction. The main Japanese force, aware that to stay in Manila would be literal suicide, pulled back to Baguio City. To hold the city, General Tomoyuki Yamashita kept a token force of some 4,500 soldiers and 12,500 sailors and marines behind as a delaying action.
Yamashita's ultimate strategy was to hold out in the mountains of northern Luzon long enough for the home islands to build up their defenses for the inevitable invasion of Japan. And so Yamashita sacrificed Manila to the Americans in order to fight the final battle in the extreme northern portion of Luzon. Despite leaving behind such a small force for MacArthur to deal with, the Japanese garrison in Manila would hold out an entire month and inflict more than 6,500 casualties on the American attackers. These 16,000+ defenders would be dead to the last man by the beginning of March.
The city of Manila itself would be razed to the ground and an estimated 100,000 Filipino civilians were killed in the month-long fighting.
Armed with intelligence that the Sixth Panzer Army was moving through Berlin via the railway system on its way to the Eastern Front, the USAAF promptly launched the largest air raid on Berlin of the war. Thinking that the Germans would use the Tempelhof railyard for the move, the American commanders set their sights on the city center.
Nearly 1,000 B-17s, escorted by 575 P-51 Mustangs, attacked the Berlin railyards just before noon. Utilizing high explosive ordinance, the bombers severely damaged the districts of Friedrichstadt, Luisenstadt, and Friedrichshain. Nearly 2,900 civilians were killed, while a further 20,000 were wounded and an additional 80,000 were made homeless. The fires spread rapidly, burning for four straight days, destroying everything in their path.
By this period in the war, German anti-aircraft defenses had been severely weakened by quantity and quality of ammunition. As a result, only 36 of the nearly 1,600 U.S. aircraft were shot down.
On the other side of the world, General Douglas MacArthur's campaign to liberate the Philippines was (seemingly) reaching its climax with the start of the Battle of Manila. 35,000 men of the U.S. XIV Army Corps (Lt. General Oscar Griswold commanding) converged on the city from every approachable direction. The main Japanese force, aware that to stay in Manila would be literal suicide, pulled back to Baguio City. To hold the city, General Tomoyuki Yamashita kept a token force of some 4,500 soldiers and 12,500 sailors and marines behind as a delaying action.
Yamashita's ultimate strategy was to hold out in the mountains of northern Luzon long enough for the home islands to build up their defenses for the inevitable invasion of Japan. And so Yamashita sacrificed Manila to the Americans in order to fight the final battle in the extreme northern portion of Luzon. Despite leaving behind such a small force for MacArthur to deal with, the Japanese garrison in Manila would hold out an entire month and inflict more than 6,500 casualties on the American attackers. These 16,000+ defenders would be dead to the last man by the beginning of March.
The city of Manila itself would be razed to the ground and an estimated 100,000 Filipino civilians were killed in the month-long fighting.
This post was edited on 2/3/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 2/3/20 at 9:45 am to RollTide1987
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Posted on 2/3/20 at 10:33 am to RollTide1987
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The city of Manila itself would be razed to the ground and an estimated 100,000 Filipino civilians were killed in the month-long fighting.
Can you imagine the uproar if we had that much collateral damage in a month today?
Posted on 2/3/20 at 10:38 am to BuckyCheese
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Can you imagine the uproar if we had that much collateral damage in a month today?
Oh, it would be terrible if it took place in a vacuum. If a battle that took place in the last 20 years had that much collateral damage, we'd never hear the end of it. But inject the same circumstances the U.S. was dealing with in 1945 into the year 2020, I think the uproar would be rather minimal to say the least.
In 1945, everyone just wanted the war to be over with. They didn't care how much blood was spilled so long as they got to see their sons and brothers home again.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 10:41 am to BuckyCheese
I mean, there was, we just don't cover it because it just gets folded into the Dresden/Tokyo Fires and the Atomic bombings.
The worst thing The War Department let happen was allowing MacArthur and Halsey to become unsackable.
The worst thing The War Department let happen was allowing MacArthur and Halsey to become unsackable.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:01 am to ZappBrannigan
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The worst thing The War Department let happen was allowing MacArthur and Halsey to become unsackable.
They were popular figures who captured the imagination of the American public. Halsey was essentially the Patton of the Pacific, always good for a catchy sound bite or quote. The press absolutely adored him because of the access he granted them.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:02 am to ZappBrannigan
In hindsight they should have let it go to slow up the Soviets.
Imagine a world where:
Germany is never divided;
Stalin is tied up on his western front into June/July;
The US still drops fat man and little baw on the same schedule; and
They rush into China, thus being in a position to keep Korea whole and influence Mao.
Also if Hitler is given more time perhaps he escapes with Eichmann and is introduced to a little Mossad style justice. He deserved far worse than a quick bullet to the head by his own hand.
Imagine a world where:
Germany is never divided;
Stalin is tied up on his western front into June/July;
The US still drops fat man and little baw on the same schedule; and
They rush into China, thus being in a position to keep Korea whole and influence Mao.
Also if Hitler is given more time perhaps he escapes with Eichmann and is introduced to a little Mossad style justice. He deserved far worse than a quick bullet to the head by his own hand.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:04 am to MSUDawg98
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In hindsight they should have let it go to slow up the Soviets.
It wouldn't have made a difference. The Yalta Conference was set to begin the very next day and it was at that conference that they decided to divide Germany up among the Allied powers and the Soviet Union.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 1:02 am to RollTide1987
No doubt but the Soviets ended up with over a third of the country (including Berlin) while the three other countries had to devide up the rest. Stalin pushed into Germany and took what he could as fast as he could. The other allies raced as far east as they could get before the Soviets. You also had the minds behind German sciences racing to surrender at the western front. In the end it was one big clusterfrick that allowed many war criminals to slip out of Europe towards friendly South American countries.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:10 am to MSUDawg98
I believe the Allies let Stalin have his way with Berlin because they knew the fight for the city would be desperate and bloody. Nearly one million civilians and military personnel died in the city in just three weeks of fighting.
While in the long-term it ended up biting us in the arse, the decision to let the Soviets have Berlin ended up saving American lives.
While in the long-term it ended up biting us in the arse, the decision to let the Soviets have Berlin ended up saving American lives.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 7:44 am to RollTide1987
Berlin is one of my favorite cities in the world. The history in there is amazing just from WWII, let alone its full history.
The Brandenburg gate is awesome too. The Greek goddess of victory is staring right down at the French embassy too. Subtle but brilliant.
My grandfather was part of those bombings in Berlin as he was a colonel and flew several bombing missions. He was also part of the Berlin airlift until he was shot down. Spent 18 months in a cast from his waist down. Died over 20 years ago on July 4th.
The Brandenburg gate is awesome too. The Greek goddess of victory is staring right down at the French embassy too. Subtle but brilliant.
My grandfather was part of those bombings in Berlin as he was a colonel and flew several bombing missions. He was also part of the Berlin airlift until he was shot down. Spent 18 months in a cast from his waist down. Died over 20 years ago on July 4th.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 7:47 am
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