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re: Mohammad Cartoon Contest to be held outside Phoenix mosque; guns encouraged
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:47 pm to HVAU
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:47 pm to HVAU
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there's a difference between being a right and being right.
Muslims think it's right to behead gays and deny women rights.
Are they right?
Morality and freedom are separate for a reason.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:49 pm to CptBengal
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They're not being ridiculed.
The event hasn't happened yet. Not sure how many times this has been said. Unless police disperse it, I can't imagine it will end well for either the people of the mosque or the protestors
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Cartoonists are going to draw satirical images of a long dead religious figure.
Ok. So? I didn't say the terrorists were justified. They aren't and never will be. That goes for any religion.
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Do you think cartoon images of jesus ridicule Christians?
Quite obviously. Your point?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:50 pm to CptBengal
It's not a position based on fear. It's a position based on common sense. Constant provocation only increases division which only increases action on both sides of an issue.
Your comment on gay marriage is irrelevant.
Your comment on gay marriage is irrelevant.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:51 pm to sawmillsam
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Quite obviously. That doesn't mean that all forms of free speech are justified.
But the speech they will exercise IS justified in our society.
Our are you too going to try the morality argument?
They aren't trying to start a fight. They're exercising their freedom. Gotta love it! The muzzies have a right to exercise theirs as well.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:53 pm to HVAU
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It's not a position based on fear. It's a position based on common sense. Constant provocation only increases division which only increases action on both sides of an issue.
Yes it is a position of fear.
You're telling them to not exercise their freedom in a legal manner because you're afraid of the response.
That's sad.
Oh gay marriage has a lot to do with it. Muslims hate gays. Think they should be killed. If the gays became violent, should the Muslims stop believing gays should be killed, or advocating it?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:55 pm to CptBengal
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Muslims think it's right to behead gays and deny women rights.
Are they right?
Morality and freedom are separate for a reason.
None stated that fundamentalist Islam is right.
The argument supposes that we should behave in a manner opposite of what we know to be correct, because the other side is doing that. Again, we do hold ourselves to a higher standard. When we don't do that we are trashing the things that we supposedly view as with fighting for.
To be clear, it is a fight in which we should be engaged, but not in this manner.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:58 pm to CptBengal
I'd like to see them try this contest in Waco.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:59 pm to HVAU
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The argument supposes that we should behave in a manner opposite of what we know to be correct
What?
Who is correct? The people in the rally think they are correct and they are within the bounds of the law.
That's the thing about arguing for morality or "correct" action, as long as you are within the law... The choice is yours.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:00 pm to CptBengal
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Yes it is a position of fear.
No it's tactical. In not saying don't attack, don't fight. I'm saying don't escalate in a way that removes the ability to be surgical about it.
I could be equally hyperbolic to your style of argument, but I'm not going to.
You've got your view. I disagree. It's a beautiful day. Enjoy it.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:00 pm to CptBengal
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But the speech they will exercise IS justified in our society.
Up until the point of becoming violent, yes. Which by all indications is what this event will be since the leader asked the attendees to bring guns..
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They aren't trying to start a fight. They're exercising their freedom
Read above. Then consider what has been said before but has to be repeated again and again: Supposedly up to 600 protestors, many of them from biker gangs, will be doing their thing outside a mosque when muslims will be going to their prayers. Want to quit playing naïve now? Of course they are trying to start a fight. It isn't rocket surgery my friend.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:02 pm to sawmillsam
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Up until the point of becoming violent, yes. Which by all indications is what this event will be since the leader asked the attendees to bring guns..
Legal carrying of a firearm doesn't mean there will be violence.
Actually stats show a legally armed populace experiences less violence.
I CC, an I more likely to be involved in violence?
Your argument is specious at best.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:04 pm to CptBengal
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Yes it is a position of fear. You're telling them to not exercise their freedom in a legal manner because you're afraid of the response.
I love this. Put yourself in their shoes if you can.
If there was an angry bunch of armed protestors outside your church during service yelling at you for a couple of evil wackjobs that used to go there, it would be just as messed up and you'd be taking the other side. And don't even start with trying to justify it with "well we don't bomb people" etc etc.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:07 pm to CptBengal
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Actually stats show a legally armed populace experiences less violence.
How about a group of angry protestors? Lets see the sample size
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Your argument is specious at best.
Maybe you'll eventually come around and see that these guys aren't showing up at the mosque to make a point peacefully.(and what point would they be trying to make to muslims?) They are there to start shite and be dicks. Come on, cap
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:08 pm to sawmillsam
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there was an angry bunch of armed protestors outside your church during service yelling at you
They're not yelling. They're having a cartoon drawing contest.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:08 pm to Bard
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How about common decency?
Who defines this subjective ideal? You?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:09 pm to sawmillsam
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How about a group of angry protestors? Lets see the sample size
Why are they angry?
Are you projecting a motive onto them? Didn't you denounce them for projecting onto Islam as a whole?
.. In case you were confused, you just destroyed your own argument about them not being "correct" in their actions.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:09 pm to CptBengal
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They're not yelling. They're having a cartoon drawing contest.
Cool. Are you a Christian by chance?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:11 pm to sawmillsam
Nope.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:15 pm to CptBengal
Any of your family members Christian?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:17 pm to sawmillsam
Yeah.
And I routinely challenge their beliefs in front of them.
Next question?
And I routinely challenge their beliefs in front of them.
Next question?
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