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re: Calling MD's/Med Students

Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:09 am to
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:09 am to
How's Kaplan these days?
Posted by MSTiger33
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:09 am to
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Mine was possibly worse because I was running a business in another town and commuting. But OBGYN residency is a bitch.

Best plan for any partner of a future doctor, plan on committing to their future and putting yours on the back burner.
And wait to have a kid.



Damn Don, you going to give that guy a heart attack

Posted by Winkface
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:10 am to
Haven't been in a while but there's a job offer in Abbeville. My life is over.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:12 am to
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Haven't been in a while but there's a job offer in Abbeville. My life is over.
Abbeville is only 8 miles from Kaplan. Don's landing and bar in Henry is only 8 miles from Abbeville. You fixin to have to time of your life! You sleeping all night yet?
Posted by MSTiger33
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:13 am to
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But OBGYN residency is a bitch.
surgery is a bigger bitch.


Surgery is a giant pain in the arse. Aside from a two week vacation, my wife did not have one entire free weekend for the 3 years we dated. Forget traveling.

However, she did her fellowship in breast surgery and now has a wonderful life. No call, no weekends, and is usually home by 4pm during the week.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:14 am to
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she did her fellowship in breast surgery
As in enhancement? Bet you got some good stories?
Posted by Restomod
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:16 am to
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This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 11:33 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:33 am to
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She went to the first part of med school in the Caribbean, then the second part in Maine at their US location.



If she gets her stuff together, passes on the second try, does decent enough on the rest of the Step exams and rotations, doesn't have any failures on any coursework, and if she came from one of the top-tier Carribbean schools, she still has plenty of options. That said, ER would be an unlikely field to find a spot.

As said before, all the primary care fields are wide open, but mid- to less-competitive programs would be more likely than, say, Hopkins or Mayo Clinic. Her best bet is as above + really narrowing what she wants to do early, doing away rotations with the programs she's considering and crushing it those months. Plenty of even programs will overlook a poor Step 1 score or failure if they've worked with you and like you, but it's a red flag when the application from Blow, Joe comes across the desk. In some programs, that means it goes in the "don't even interview file."


ETA- double checked before posting, but an old classmate of mine failed Step 1, barely passed on 2nd try, barely passed Step 2, and is currently doing ER in New York despite finding his way off our rank list. I know another guy who had Step 1 and 2 scores >250 and if I'm not mistaken were actually in the low 260s who didn't match an ER spot and had to SOAP into something else.

Personality, letters, and away rotations are absolutely vital in the absence of a good Step score.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 11:40 am
Posted by stniaSxuaeG
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:35 am to
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Being an ER doc is leaps and bounds harder than an IM doc

Oh yeah? How long have you been in practice?
Posted by KarlMalonesFlipPhone
Member since Sep 2015
3848 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:41 am to
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If she gets her stuff together, passes on the second try, does decent enough on the rest of the Step exams and rotations, doesn't have any failures on any coursework, and if she came from one of the top-tier Carribbean schools, she still has plenty of options. That said, ER would be an unlikely field to find a spot.

As said before, all the primary care fields are wide open, but mid- to less-competitive programs would be more likely than, say, Hopkins or Mayo Clinic. Her best bet is as above + really narrowing what she wants to do early, doing away rotations with the programs she's considering and crushing it those months. Plenty of even programs will overlook a poor Step 1 score or failure if they've worked with you and like you, but it's a red flag when the application from Blow, Joe comes across the desk. In some programs, that means it goes in the "don't even interview file."


ETA- double checked before posting, but an old classmate of mine failed Step 1, barely passed on 2nd try, barely passed Step 2, and is currently doing ER in New York despite finding his way off our rank list. I know another guy who had Step 1 and 2 scores >250 and if I'm not mistaken were actually in the low 260s who didn't match an ER spot and had to SOAP into something else.


Personality, letters, and away rotations are absolutely vital in the absence of a good Step score.


She's already failed it twice and I'm willing to bet your friend wasn't coming from a caribbean med school
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:43 am to
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Being an ER doc is leaps and bounds harder than an IM doc




It's not harder. It's different. And doing general Internal Medicine well is extremely difficult.
Posted by stniaSxuaeG
Member since Apr 2014
1600 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:45 am to
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The match is where graduating medical doctors are matched into a residency. It's done by a weird algorithm that no one understands. You rank your choices and programs rank their candidates

The algorithm is actually very straightforward.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:45 am to
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She's already failed it twice



Missed that part. Devote 100% of time to studying, use Doctors in Training or a similar program. Then find an IM, FM, or Peds program with a lot FMG and rotate there and make a good impression.


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I'm willing to bet your friend wasn't coming from a caribbean med school


Both were LSUHSC-NO.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:45 am to
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She should just opt for PA school. Either OLOL or LSU. OLOL is willing to take anyone with a decent GPA/GRE score and willing to fork over the $100K(28 months).


Don't know why people keep saying this. A poor medical school student isn't likely to be a good PA or NP. Medicine might not be for her.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 11:46 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:46 am to
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The algorithm is actually very straightforward.


Yep. Simple take on the "stable marriage problem"
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:47 am to
Side note - I have a friend who just got board certified as an Interventional Radiologist.

Is this an advanced/difficult field? Is he gonna make bank?

I'm reading more up on it now - lots of the medical terms are hard to understand.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21001 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:47 am to
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As in enhancement? Bet you got some good stories?


Breast cancer
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:49 am to
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Don't know why people keep saying this. A poor medical school student isn't likely to be a good PA or NP. Medicine might not be for her


Why not? I can't imagine the majority of PA and NP students that I've worked with passing step 1, and they can't all be bad.
Posted by KarlMalonesFlipPhone
Member since Sep 2015
3848 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:51 am to
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Side note - I have a friend who just got board certified as an Interventional Radiologist.

Is this an advanced/difficult field? Is he gonna make bank?

I'm reading more up on it now - lots of the medical terms are hard to understand.



I'm not in radiology, but as I understand it it's become one of the more desirable fellowships in radiology. He should do well for himself.

Starting next year (again, as i understand it), there will be specific interventional radiology track you will have to match into for residency and they will transition away from it being a fellowship based program.
Posted by KarlMalonesFlipPhone
Member since Sep 2015
3848 posts
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:53 am to
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Why not? I can't imagine the majority of PA and NP students that I've worked with passing step 1, and they can't all be bad.


PA school is becoming very competitive to get into. If she had to go the Caribbean route I doubt her college resume is good enough for PA school. Same with dental school as someone mentioned earlier. Dental school as just as hard to get into med school these days.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 11:58 am
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