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re: Simple question about Vacarro
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:30 pm to Clockwatcher68
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:30 pm to Clockwatcher68
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Harbaugh must be a ranter.
Why would coach who just drafted someone say, well yea he was the second rated player at that position for us?
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:32 pm to Chad504boy
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Dude you are the newest best most terrible poster these days.
guess that makes you oldest
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:32 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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Ok so did lacy play better competition?
Who stood out and made more plays for his team?
Who made the Heisman winner look like a high schooler?
I have my opinion. And after I saw a few games live and then watch a few more online i just don't see it. Vacarro is a good player just not a great one.
Strengths and weaknesses
You posted a link for verification. lacy has an 82 number by his name, vaccaro has a 87 number by his. LULZ you dumb.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:34 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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guess that makes you oldest
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:35 pm to thedice20
Is KV straight Mexican? or something else entirely?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:36 pm to Chad504boy
Link was for his Strengths and Weaknesses.
i just stated Vacarro takes bad angles, does wrap up, and is ok in coverage and yal wanna jump on me for that. They see the same Weaknesses as i did.
i just stated Vacarro takes bad angles, does wrap up, and is ok in coverage and yal wanna jump on me for that. They see the same Weaknesses as i did.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:37 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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Link was for his Strengths and Weaknesses.
oh so there assessment of their S&W is good enough but when they rate vaccaro as a better player that is different from you stating lacy is the better player... its not that relevant now.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:42 pm to Chad504boy
And they compare Lacy to Frank Gore and Vacarro to Morgan Burnett.
The link was to back up the facts that Vacarro takes bad angles, doesn't wrap up always, and is just ok in coverage.
Its my opinion that Lacy is a better football player and that is bc ive seen them both play and Lacy makes way more plays and just stands out as a special player on more occasions than Vacarro.
Again its not about Lacy or about Vacarro being a horrible pick. Its that there were better players available.
The link was to back up the facts that Vacarro takes bad angles, doesn't wrap up always, and is just ok in coverage.
Its my opinion that Lacy is a better football player and that is bc ive seen them both play and Lacy makes way more plays and just stands out as a special player on more occasions than Vacarro.
Again its not about Lacy or about Vacarro being a horrible pick. Its that there were better players available.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:43 pm to Chad504boy
I straight up stole this from another Saints message board. Forgive me if something similar has already been discussed, but I found this informative. Credit goes to TruSaint.
Ok well first lets explain the type of player Kenny Vaccaro is, he is a very athletic/smart safety. He is a combo safety but his best fit in the NFL is at Strong Safety. Why? Because his best attributes are man coverage and change of direction skills, ur free safety is almost never in man coverage unless its an all out blitz. He had one of the best 20 yard shuttles in the combine, which is a drill to determine a players change of direction ability. I dont like him at Free Safety because he is very aggressive and tends to leave his zone and go for the big play, not what u want at FS. He also has good size at 6"1 218. An awesome 38" vertical and can lay the wood. Also has great body movement and control.
So why he fits the Saints scheme. Roman Harper was so good with Greg Williams because he was allowed to do what he does best, be in the box and blitz. With Rob Ryan the defense is totally different, he doesn't call for his SS to blitz, but to play man up coverage on tight ends or slot WR's.
Why does Rob Ryan do this? Because of his scheme: - Cover 1 Press
Rob Ryan runs a Cover 1 Press about 75% of the time. What is this exactly? Its simple. In this scheme all of ur corner backs will be in man coverage and press(jam) their wide receivers at the line of scrimmage. The Cover 1 means there is only ONE safety playing in a deep zone, everyone else is manned up or blitzing. In this scheme with the 3-4 defense u are sending an extra blitzer in place of your second guy who would be covering the other deep zone. Therefor Rob Ryan will blitz all 3 defensive lineman, and BOTH OLB's. You need good press corners to do this and a VERY good SS at man coverage with a good vertical to compete with tight ends.
Roman Harper is the worst possible fit for a Rob Ryan defense, he isnt a bad player, but in this scheme, u need a lockdown man coverage SS. Great Pick by us!
-One other thing, Vaccaro is supposed to be excellent at stopping the Quarterback option because of his instincts, read and react skills, and change of direction agility skills. We will need this vs cam newton, colin kap and russel wilson.
Ok well first lets explain the type of player Kenny Vaccaro is, he is a very athletic/smart safety. He is a combo safety but his best fit in the NFL is at Strong Safety. Why? Because his best attributes are man coverage and change of direction skills, ur free safety is almost never in man coverage unless its an all out blitz. He had one of the best 20 yard shuttles in the combine, which is a drill to determine a players change of direction ability. I dont like him at Free Safety because he is very aggressive and tends to leave his zone and go for the big play, not what u want at FS. He also has good size at 6"1 218. An awesome 38" vertical and can lay the wood. Also has great body movement and control.
So why he fits the Saints scheme. Roman Harper was so good with Greg Williams because he was allowed to do what he does best, be in the box and blitz. With Rob Ryan the defense is totally different, he doesn't call for his SS to blitz, but to play man up coverage on tight ends or slot WR's.
Why does Rob Ryan do this? Because of his scheme: - Cover 1 Press
Rob Ryan runs a Cover 1 Press about 75% of the time. What is this exactly? Its simple. In this scheme all of ur corner backs will be in man coverage and press(jam) their wide receivers at the line of scrimmage. The Cover 1 means there is only ONE safety playing in a deep zone, everyone else is manned up or blitzing. In this scheme with the 3-4 defense u are sending an extra blitzer in place of your second guy who would be covering the other deep zone. Therefor Rob Ryan will blitz all 3 defensive lineman, and BOTH OLB's. You need good press corners to do this and a VERY good SS at man coverage with a good vertical to compete with tight ends.
Roman Harper is the worst possible fit for a Rob Ryan defense, he isnt a bad player, but in this scheme, u need a lockdown man coverage SS. Great Pick by us!
-One other thing, Vaccaro is supposed to be excellent at stopping the Quarterback option because of his instincts, read and react skills, and change of direction agility skills. We will need this vs cam newton, colin kap and russel wilson.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:45 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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And they compare Lacy to Frank Gore and Vacarro to Morgan Burnett.
I'll take a morgan burnett in a jippy bro. Burnet past 2 years: 5 int's. Harper AND Jenkins past 2 years: 3
Morgan has 230 freaking tackles past 2 years.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:46 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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Its my opinion that Lacy is a better football player
You are quite possibly the only person in the world with this opinion.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:47 pm to EarthwormJim
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You are quite possibly the only person in the world with this opinion.
don't forget about lacy's momma.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:49 pm to Chad504boy
SOOO you would rather have Morgan Burnett or Frank Gore? That really doesnt matter this thread is about KV i just stated that he is a good player just not a great one.
That explains a lot about this pick. I heard that Ryan uses his safeties to blitz and that is what Roman does well. But if not true like the analysis suggests then i could see why they went KV.
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BigCobra
That explains a lot about this pick. I heard that Ryan uses his safeties to blitz and that is what Roman does well. But if not true like the analysis suggests then i could see why they went KV.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:51 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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SOOO you would rather have Morgan Burnett or Frank Gore?
definitely burnett about to enter prime and gore is done, the wheels on the bus fallng off.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:52 pm to GeauxCraigrz
I hope so man. I was not thrilled with the pick when it was being announced because I had it in my mind that we would go OLB, ILB, or DT. But after reading some stuff, i like the pick more. He seems really versatile.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:53 pm to bigcobra
Vaccaro is going to be our starting Nickel Back and he's going to show them This is How You play Safety
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:54 pm to Chad504boy
Harper has more tackles than Burnett in the past 2 year, so that point is mute.
Burnett also was more INTs than Vacarro the last 2 years lol and Vacarro is playing against lesser competition
Burnett also was more INTs than Vacarro the last 2 years lol and Vacarro is playing against lesser competition
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:56 pm to GeauxCraigrz
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Harper has more tackles than Burnett in the past 2 year, so that point is mute.
no he doesn't.
quote:they stayed away from quadman.
Burnett also was more INTs than Vacarro the last 2 years lol and Vacarro is playing against lesser competition
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:57 pm to GeauxCraigrz
KV just tweeted Who Dat! im sold
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:58 pm to bigcobra
I wish him the best and cant wait to see how Ryan uses him in this new defense... should finish in the top half of total D this year! Championship!
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