re: Brees pick-6/Graham drop

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Doesn't mean we can't give the players crap when they screw up and cost us a game.

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If Jimmy played o-line when Brees was sacked on our last drive or played on our defense when we let the Browns drive 80+ yards in less than 2 minutes to win the game then I'd agree with you, he would have cost us the game. Brees' interception had nothing to do with the last two drives that we shite a brick on.

Colston played well in Week 1. He was unlucky to fumble that ball at the end. Defense stepped up and forced Bryant to make another 50+ yard field goal and he did.

I fault neither player for the losses.

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Brees and Graham are without fault on that INT

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C'mon, man...that's ridiculous. Of course I can blame a TE who lets the pass go directly through his hands and into the hands of a defender who trots into the end zone. You can't be serious.

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you are one of those who has to throw out misguided hate towards players, so logic is elusive for you

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There's a lot of them here today, MDS.

The caption on this pic at nola.com is "The ball slips through the hands of New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham (80) for an interception and touchdown by Cleveland Browns free safety Tashaun Gipson"

I guess that reporter is illogical, too. He should have said "The ball sails over the head..."

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What's illogical about placing some blame for giving up a pick 6 on a TE who didn't catch a ball that went through both hands?

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that you skip a couple of steps in which the ball sailed high and was just barely within reach. I'm not sure if you've ever played football or not, but put on shoulder pads and reach for the sky. they restrict your full range. now you keep harping on your belief that the ball went through his hands. I am agreeing that at some angles it does appear this way, and I also agree that the ball could've been caught. What you fail to realize is that the old mantra of "if it hits your hands you should catch it" is an untrue cliche, for their are too many nuances that factor into the ease or difficulty in catching said ball. You seem to hold true to that stupid saying. That ball was at the pinnacle of Graham's reach, and he was fighting the restriction of the equipment he wears along with stretching himself to maximum resistance to adjust to a ball that took a different trajectory than what was intended due to the QB getting drilled. That is what is called in football a "great catch" when made. In the land of unicorns and fairies, it's a "if the ball hits your hands then you should catch it."

Come back to me when Graham is charged with an official "drop" and then I will admit you were right. Until then, bugger off with your negative nonsense

Taking a picture at different moments tells a different story. Brees was hit and the ball sailed much higher than it should have been. The reason it went between his hands was because he didn't have time to bring his hands together. The ball was high and he had to reach for it. Was definitely not on Graham. Brees and Oline responsible for that TO.

Graham... 18 catches on 23 targets with


0 drops


Yeah, that ball was not ruled a drop, which means it wasn't routinely catchable. So STFU with your ignorance and move along.

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our 40,000,000 all pro TE couldn't catch a ball that hit him in both hands because he wears shoulder pads. Dude, give it a rest.

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way to pick out one of the many things I stated to simplify a complicated moment. I see you chose to ignore that the ball changed intended trajectory, was at a point that required Graham to be at his physical limitations of reach and height along with the restrictions of the equipment worn. So not only did Graham have to maximize his body limitations to make that catch, he had to do it all the while adjusting to the change of trajectory of the ball. Then the ball is barely within his grasp on top of all of that.

But I get it, you have never played a down of ball in your life, so you have no idea what you are talking about. Somehow you parade yourself as an expert. You're making a fool of yourself now. You are one of the "so and so player gets payd 10 million dollars so should catch everything that's within 5 yards of him or else he is garbage" types.

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Had he caught that ball, no one would have screamed "Great Catch."

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You're right, and that lends more credence to him being a phenom at the position. He so often makes those great catches that they seem routine for him. The unfortunate side effect is that cumquats like you want to fault him when he does not make that great catch.

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Ex-Popcorn
Member since Nov 2005
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Ah the truth is so obvious. you're a lurker who only offers your opinion when it's to complain. You never post on these boards (I see you're a poli boarder... figures), yet you decided to mozy on over here today and create not one but TWO threads bitching about this team. You don't even have the decency to earn your stripes before cluttering up the board with your negative threads. Regarding internet message boards there is an unwritten rule that you should post in already running threads for a while before starting your own. Way to break that you uncouth child

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the ball changed intended trajectory, was at a point that required Graham to be at his physical limitations of reach and height along with the restrictions of the equipment worn

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Seriously, you sound like you went to school on a short bus growing up. The ball changed intended trajectory? What the hell does this mean? It had a trajectory. It didn't change mid-flight, did it? Brees threw it to Graham. He threw it high. Graham is tall and catches passes off the ground all the time. It went through Graham's hands. Did you see some rare moment of physics where the ball did something strange mid-flight?

At his physical limitations? What? Look at the pic? His left arm is not even extended upwards. It's is straight out. I'm pretty sure his arms go up...so, it's not his physical limitations. He gets paid a lot of money to jump off the ground and catch balls that hit him in the hands. He misjudged it. That's on him. This is not rocket science...although, I'm starting to think basic addition/subtraction may confuse you.

And again with the shoulder pads thing? Jesus H. Christ. Seriously. And, yes, I played football in high school and know what it's like to wear shoulder pads.

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Yeah, that ball didn't sail on Brees.

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Of course it sailed. Of course Jimmy had to jump. That means nothing. He's paid to catch balls that he should catch. He should have caught that.

Look at it another way, had he caught it, you wouldn't have been surprised. You are just blindly defending him because he caught 10 balls. I love that he caught 10 balls. That doesn't mean that he didn't catch a critical ball at a critical time.