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re: They went thataway, so let's go thisaway: the TV Western thread

Posted on 2/10/15 at 7:25 pm to
Posted by tigress4life
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 7:25 pm to
How about: Dead or Alive starring Steve McQueen as bounty hunter Josh Randall.





Posted by tigress4life
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 7:27 pm to



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Michael Landon's part interesting. Didn't play a good guy part in season 1 episode 1 of "Wanted Dead or Alive" starring Steve McQueen as Josh Randall
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Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:55 am to
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Gunshy, a parody of Gunsmoke is one of my favorite episodes
It's a favorite of mine too. Others are "Three Queens Full" (a spoof of Bonanza), "Pappy" (where we finally meet that father so often quoted), and Garner's own favorite, "Shady Deal At Sunny Acres", which had parts of its plot stolen by The Sting 15 years later.

Unfortunately no Maverick episodes are on YT... "Shady Deal" and "Pappy" can be watched online if you look around. That's all I can say...
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 3:28 pm to
Rawhide - "Incident of the Red Wind"

When Trail Boss Gil Favor is injured in the treacherous San Marcos badlands and the herd runs perilously short of water, many of the drovers fear the drive is cursed by the "Red Wind". A surly new drover insists he can lead the herd to water -- but who is this mysterious newcomer, and what is his real motivation?

A classic episode, with a nicely unsettling atmosphere, a great guest star in real-life WWII hero (Silver Star winner) Neville Brand, and an especially memorable climax where we learn the truth about Brand and his reasons for trying to take over the drive.

Posted by flvelo12
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:27 am to
Entertaining westerns on AMC today. Starting @ 9:00 a.m.

Hannie Caulder







Man Who Shot Liberty Valance







Then some Clint

Joe Kidd



The Outlaw Josey Wales



Enjoy.


Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:10 pm to
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Joe Kidd


Joe Kidd is not a great western, but it has a great performance by Robert Duvall as the cattle baron. There have been plenty of Southern villains in movies, but Duvall is one of the few to capture that unique Southern condescension, superficially polite but talking down to everyone, like a schoolmarm correcting a misbehaving child.

This is one of the great western heavies, along with Lee Marvin (Liberty Valance) and Richard Boone (The Tall T, the otherwise mediocre Big Jake). IMHO Duvall is better here than he was that same year in The Godfather.
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:52 pm to
Don't you be bad talking Big Jake. A dog named dog. Both his sons. I thought you were dead.
Posted by tidalmouse
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:56 pm to
At one time weren't there around 20 westerns on TV?

The appeal of the Western was great during 50's-70's.

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Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 6:22 pm to
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At one time weren't there around 20 westerns on TV?
In 1959 westerns accounted for 25% of all prime time network programming.

They were mostly replacing comedy shows like Milton Berle, Sid Caesar, and Steve Allen, leading Bob Hope to crack: "I saw a western last night where cowboys killed some Indians and dug their graves. And I thought cowboys only buried comedians."
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The appeal of the Western was great during 50's-70's
One of the aims of this thread is to help revive interest among later generations

I missed the golden age of westerns, but it's still my favorite genre.
Posted by flvelo12
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 7:23 pm to
I've definitely come to appreciate the Western genre even more as I have gotten older.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:53 pm to
Rawhide - "The Lost Tribe"

After a band of Indians stampede the herd and steal 30 head of cattle, scout Pete Nolan learns they are a tribe of Cheyennes he once lived with (and had married into). The tribe is now on the run from cavalry troops as well as a sheriff's posse and desperately trying to reach the "green pastures" of Mexico. Pete is caught between two worlds and must make a choice -- either side with his fellow drovers, or help his old "family" in the tribe and guide them to their promised land.

A Pete-centric episode, giving Sheb Wooley an opportunity to his flex his thespian muscles.

Sheb Wooley as Pete Nolan





Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/6/16 at 2:25 pm to


Daniel Boone - "Nightmare"

On the trail returning home to Boonesborough, the Boone family is attacked by renegade Shawnees. When Daniel is captured, his young son Israel must somehow rescue him.



One of the best episodes of the series, an action-filled classic that is basically one long chase. Direction credited to veteran George Marshall (The Blue Dahlia, Destry Rides Again)
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:41 pm to
The Adventures of Jim Bowie





Clearly inspired by the enormous success of Disney's Davy Crockett, this is a standard western of the time (1956-8), except for one big difference: it's set in 1830 Louisiana, which gives it a unique vibe among TV oaters.

Bowie (who is curiously played by an English actor) is sometimes seen in New Orleans, and other times down the bayou or along the Natchez Trace where he gets involved in righting wrongs, rescuing widows and orphans, romancing damsels in distress, and the all the usual hero routine. He owns a plantation and often says he "has to get back to Opelousas" but we seldom see him there (at least he pronounced it right -- in one episode he tells somebody to go to "Natch-i-toatch-iss"). Bowie is sometimes in Opelousas but also visits New Iberia and Baton Rouge -- all represented by the same bayou village set. The show was produced on a very modest budget, mostly interiors; as far as I can tell the few outside shots were all done at the studio.

And in some episodes he meets up with those strange creatures known as Cajuns. In the Cajun-centric episodes I've seen, the Cajuns (for the record I am Southern Baptist) are portrayed respectfully, but not quite assimilated and suspicious of "Americans" (any outsiders) -- one episode deals with Cajuns wanting to secede and rejoin France!

That's about par for the course as far as TAOJB's historical accuracy goes. Bowie is shown as best friends with John James Audubon, fights French revolutionaries who seek to kill the now middle-aged Dauphin, and in one episode prevents the assassination of Andrew Jackson. I think my favorite such moment is when Bowie has his photograph taken.

But I don't care -- I've always loved both stories about old Louisiana as well as historical adventure. Fans of such stuff should be entertained.





Michael Landon as an uppity Cajun in "Deputy Sheriff"



Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:41 pm to
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Wagon Train - "The Prairie Story"



An untypical WT episode, not so much for its plot -- the hardships of pioneer women -- but for its self-consciously poetic treatment in the manner of Conrad Aiken or Willa Cather, which actually works most of the time (although they do go overboard on the heavenly choir soundtrack). Directed by the great Mitchell Leisen (Death Takes A Holiday, Arise My Love, Hold Back The Dawn)
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:20 pm to
I just got the first four seasons of Gunsmoke for my birthday.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:37 pm to
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I just got the first four seasons of Gunsmoke for my birthday.
It was probably best in the first 6 seasons, when it was a half hour.

Feel free to post here about episodes you've watched
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 6:28 pm to
Wagon Train -- "The Richard Bloodgood Story" (1964)

A mysterious blind man, along with his Indian servant, joins the train and slowly makes it known that he intends to kill trail scout Cooper Smith

A classic but uncharacteristic noirish WT episode, emphasizing eerie paranoia and even featuring some expressionistic flashbacks. Highlighted by moody photography -- the shot where shadows cover the blind Bloodgood's eyes is especially well done. (Note that all these effects can only be accomplished in B&W). Two excellent guest stars in Guy Stockwell and William Smith.

Robert Fuller as scout Cooper Smith in Wagon Train



Guy Stockwell as the mysterious Richard Bloodgood

Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:00 pm to
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TV had never seen a western hero quite like Richard Boone's Paladin before Have Gun - Will Travel moseyed onto screens in 1957. Paladin -- no other name is ever given -- is a rather dandyish fellow who quotes Virgil and avidly attends Shakespeare productions as well as the opera. Living in a suite at the plush Hotel Carlton in San Francisco, he enjoys good food, fine wine, expensive cigars and the company of beautiful women.



To pay for all this high living, West Point grad and Civil War vet Paladin (the word, incidentally, is defined as "A paragon of chivalry; a heroic champion; a strong supporter or defender of a cause") hires himself out as a gunfighter to whoever will pay his $1000 fee.





But Paladin, as his name suggests, is a man of old-fashioned honor who lives by his own code. He may even change sides if he feels his opponent's cause is just.

Sounds a bit like Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe, doesn't he? Have Gun Will Travel was actually conceived as a modern-day private eye series set in contemporary New York. But P.I.s were out of fashion and cowboys were at the height of their popularity, so the writers re-imagined the concept for the old west. And in the process made a TV star out of craggy-faced Richard Boone, as well as creating a new and iconic archetype for the genre.

The cultured yet deadly, empathizing yet stubbornly independent Paladin is a fascinating character, and the show's scripts are often of an extremely high quality; among the show's writers were Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek), Frank Pierson (Cool Hand Luke; Oscar winner for Dog Day Afternoon), Frank Gilroy (Pulitzer Prize winner for The Subject Was Roses), and Sam Peckinpah (who should need no introduction for western fans).
Somebody uploaded all the HGWTs to YouTube

"The Protégé"

Paladin teaches a young man to defend himself with a gun. But the young man, now a fast draw, becomes drunk with power -- will the student end up destroying the teacher?

One of my favorite HGWT episodes, with an excellent script by future Pulitzer winner Frank Gilroy.



Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 6:23 pm to
Have Gun Will Travel - "The Hanging Cross"
s1 e15
Directed by Andrew McLaglen
Written by Gene Roddenberry

On Christmas Eve Paladin works to reunite a cruel rancher and his son who had been captured by Indians, and at the same time avoid an Indian war.

The kindest, gentlest Paladin of all. Roddenberry's script (he would establish his name in the industry via his work on HGWT) makes Paladin his mouthpiece for Peace on Earth sentiments, which would seem wildly out of place in any other episode.

Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 11:43 pm to
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"Shady Deal At Sunny Acres", which had parts of its plot stolen by The Sting 15 years later.

The GOAT. Garner sitting on that porch rocking chair, smiling as the townspeople laugh at him for thinking he’ll get his money back.

Glen Larson stole some of the plots from Maverick to use in my favorite western, Alias Smith and Jones. He stole from Rockford Files as well. Eventually Garner punched him out.
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