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re: The Rooney Rule
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:01 pm to trackfan
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:01 pm to trackfan
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Before this rule was put into place, Black coaches had trouble getting interviews, and thereby establish some type of rapport with the owners who were all White, while White coaches already had established relationships with the owners socially away from football, and thereby didn't need to interview. It was Dan Rooney's best attempt to try and open doors for Black coaches that would otherwise be closed.
True. Smith and Tomlin said the rule helped them get HC jobs. They've done pretty good. Both teams in the playoffs again, recently went to the Super Bowl. If it wasn't for the rule they'd most likely still be assistants.
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 8:01 pm
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Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:02 pm to bayou2003
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Smith and Tomlin said the rule helped them get jobs.
Well, that answers my question.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:02 pm to baybeefeetz
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:03 pm to bayou2003
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If it wasn't for the rule they'd most likely still be assistants.
Come on, now.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:04 pm to CunningLinguist
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If I were the cowboys I'd go out of my way to make a mockery of it. Bring in a local black HS coach and call it a day.
Ask Jamal from maintenance if he wants to interview for the head coaching job.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:05 pm to LSUZombie
I think the logic of the Rooney Rule should be applied to all positions in a sporting organization, especially the ones on the field. Blacks dominate the wide receiver position? Well then every team will have to try out a white guy before setting the starting lineup.
Hell, why don't we extend the logic even further and make a rule that states that the organization should be a reflection of the current American population. Blacks should only be about 12% of the football team. I mean, if they were really concerned with fairness, shouldn't that be the case?
Hell, why don't we extend the logic even further and make a rule that states that the organization should be a reflection of the current American population. Blacks should only be about 12% of the football team. I mean, if they were really concerned with fairness, shouldn't that be the case?
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:07 pm to WikiTiger
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Hell, why don't we extend the logic even further and that make a rule that states that the organization should be a reflection of the current American population. Blacks should only be about 12% of the football team. I mean, if they were really concerned with fairness, shouldn't that be the case?
NFL tried only having a few blacks on their teams back in the day. AFL starting picking up more blacks, then for some reason the NFL wanted more blacks. Don't think they wanna try that again.
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:07 pm to WikiTiger
wiki bringing the heat
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:09 pm to bayou2003
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Don't think they wanna try that again.
guess they aren't really concerned about fairness
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:09 pm to WikiTiger
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I think the logic of the Rooney Rule should be applied to all positions in a sporting organization, especially the ones on the field. Blacks dominate the wide receiver position? Well then every team will have to try out a white guy before setting the starting lineup.
I'm all for trying that in college football. lol. I bet you'd have less "power" conferences.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:10 pm to bayou2003
That rule isn't going anywhere. It was put in place because of pressure from folk like Jesse Jackson, Johnnie Cochran and Cyrus Mehri. If black head coaches had been getting interviews all along, they wouldn't need this rule but the days of blacks being locked out of head coaching positions is over in the NFL.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:11 pm to Kafka
The rule is intended only to foster a sense of fairness. If you think things were/are completely fair in terms of coaching hires, then I see why It'd irk you.
However, the fact that there are guys like Lane Kiffin out there should tell you that there are certain obstacles that all coaching candidates face getting into the profession, and I'm sure Black candidates had it worse off, at lease in the beginning.
However, the fact that there are guys like Lane Kiffin out there should tell you that there are certain obstacles that all coaching candidates face getting into the profession, and I'm sure Black candidates had it worse off, at lease in the beginning.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:11 pm to WikiTiger
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we extend
we ain't doing shite. The owners vote on the rule. They are a very elite, exclusive, and small club. They don't have to be consistent.
as for wide receivers, stigmas about whiteness are not what are (perceived) in the way of the progress of white receivers. White receivers don't need interviews to show that they are really not stereotypes. They can have their 40 times measured, and there's videos of them running routes. It's different for coaches. How can they prove themselves worthy?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:13 pm to baybeefeetz
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we ain't doing shite. The owners vote on the rule. They are a very elite, exclusive, and small club. They don't have to be consistent.
as for wide receivers, stigmas about whiteness are not what are (perceived) in the way of the progress of white receivers. White receivers don't need interviews to show that they are really not stereotypes. They can have their 40 times measured, and there's videos of them running routes. It's different for coaches. How can they prove themselves worthy?
Why do you support special rules for certain segments of the population?
If you were a true promoter of a level playing field then you would support my proposition that all teams be a reflection of the American population. Why do you hate white people so much?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:14 pm to Inspired01
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The rule is intended only to foster a sense of fairness
It's not about reality, it's about fuzzy warm feelings
liberalism in a nutshell
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:14 pm to LSUZombie
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teams may not plan on hiring them but they interview them like any other coach
sounds like a fake interview
but see thats not a fake interview. a fake interview wold be asking him to come in ask him one question and send him on his way. most teams from what i can tell actually go through the actual process. he is just giving them experience with that process, so they be able to impress a team at a later date, hell maybe even impress a team that had no intention of hiring him and then do.
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because in the case of Jason Garrett, Dallas has already chosen him. Minnesotta chose Frazier and no one will scream Rooney Rule for the Vikings
and that i agree. but to me dallas or minnesota should not have to give an interview to anyone if they hire garrett or frazier because technically they are already the head coach.
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maybe 20 years ago
nah the rooney rule is only 7 years old and the nfl saw it as a problem that black coaches werent getting interviewed so the rule was put in place.
and from 79-03 there were only 7 black head coaches.
as of this year there have been 7 black coaches that have been the head coach at some point in this season. so, it seems like the interview process is working.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:15 pm to WikiTiger
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Why do you support special rules for certain segments of the population?
If you were a true promoter of a level playing field then you would support my proposition that all teams be a reflection of the American population. Why do you hate white people so much?
I doubt if whites want less blacks in the NFL. Don't be stupid. We can go that route and see if the NFL will still be the MOST popular sport in the U.S. Lets get keep it honest.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:16 pm to tigermike5
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and from 79-03 there were only 7 black head coaches.
Wow that can't be true. I'm sure we can name some Whites that coached teams that weren't qualified to be coaches.lol. Only 7 in that time span, damn.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:16 pm to Kafka
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give it to the most qualified gut and don't worry about his skin color
Funny how you didn't say this 10-15 years ago when qualified black assistants had a hard time getting interviews.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:18 pm to bayou2003
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I doubt if whites want less blacks in the NFL. Don't be stupid. We can go that route and see if the NFL will still be the MOST popular sport in the U.S. Lets get keep it honest.
Found this in a cursory google search:
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African-Americans comprise approximately 79% of NBA rosters, 65% of NFL line ups, and 18% of MLB teams
Blacks are overrepresented in all of those leagues.
Why are supporters of the Rooney Rule so hesitant to support true equality on the playing field?
It sounds like hypocrisy to me.
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