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re: TDBL hot stove

Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:36 am to
Posted by NOBODY
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:36 am to
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Gray area: in a perfect world, the league wouldn't have an owner who gets pillaged by smarter owners. If your league does have a dumb guy, is it wrong to swing a lopsided deal with him? I lean toward no, but it does make me uneasy. I feel similarly about a person quitting on a league - I hate that, but it's more an issue of competitiveness than integrity.




Biggest problem in TDBBL.



There are two issues here....which one is more dastardly? I think quitting is.
Posted by NOBODY
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:37 am to
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shite'll kill ya.



Damn...I'm in trouble then.
Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:38 am to
coffee is for gays
Posted by NOBODY
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:40 am to
Driving off icy roads is for dicksuckers but do I give you a hard time about it?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:40 am to
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There are two issues here....which one is more dastardly? I think quitting is.


Stout and Rick.

Quitting occurred at the very end but that just may be the nature of a keeper league. SFP quit too soon, though.
Posted by NOBODY
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:42 am to
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SFP quit too soon, though.



I disagree. He quit at the perfect time.

And really only Stout quit. Rick still keeps up with his lineup and shite. Selling for next year is not quitting IMO.

I bet Port wishes he would have consolidated now that his playoff chances are between slim and none.
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:42 am to
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-The commissioner does not abuse his power in any way. The commissioner is probably the only person who can cheat without pairing with another person in the league.

-No collusion. The second a team decides to help another team, integrity is lost. And it doesn't always have to be the last place team helping a contender. Maybe a team is running away with first place and colludes to help a friend get second place.


I haven't seen either of these two in any of the TD leagues.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:45 am to
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And really only Stout quit.


Stout needs to go. He actually has a pretty nice set up for someone to take over.

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I disagree. He quit at the perfect time.


One bad week and he sold his team. I know it's not quitting in the sense that he quit setting his lineup, but when you just sell of all of your players, set your lineup but get beat 8-0 every week.....it's really the same thing as quitting - same result.
Posted by NOBODY
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:47 am to
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Stout needs to go. He actually has a pretty nice set up for someone to take over.



I say give him one more season.

Last year he did this and didnt set himself up for this year. At least he set the table to be competive next year. If he finishes bottom half again next year, I say give him the boot.
Posted by TigerPhan27
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:55 am to
The commissioner does not abuse his power in any way. The commissioner is probably the only person who can cheat without pairing with another person in the league.

-No collusion. The second a team decides to help another team, integrity is lost. And it doesn't always have to be the last place team helping a contender. Maybe a team is running away with first place and colludes to help a friend get second place.
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I haven't seen either of these two in any of the TD leagues.


McCain offering people draft picks under the table to not make trades with other teams so he can in turn make the trade takes care of both of these.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:57 am to
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I bet Port wishes he would have consolidated now that his playoff chances are between slim and none.


no i don't. i have a chance to make it, and by the way rmcc and gyno are playing each other, it could happen just as i hoped for. why quit when you still have a chance to make it? what is the point in even playing? to me, bragging about who has the best 5 keepers is gay. I don't think Jake upgraded his keepers that much. Gyno, cwill, mccain and I all still have a chance. There was no point in quitting when you are still in it.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:58 am to
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McCain offering people draft picks under the table to not make trades with other teams so he can in turn make the trade takes care of both of these.


he did announce what he was doing on the league message board.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 9:59 am to
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McCain offering people draft picks under the table to not make trades with other teams so he can in turn make the trade takes care of both of these.


That's not abuse of commissioner powers or collusion. You can call it dirty but it did not involve him using his commissioner rights to affect a trade or add/drop nor was it helping another team get better or win other than his own.
Posted by TigerPhan27
edgy racial f'n pervert.
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:00 am to
meh
Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:00 am to
im glad im not included in the quitting discussion




FTR, john lackey is now officially off the market
Posted by NOBODY
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:01 am to
I can see your side too Port.

Not hatin. I just dont hate on Jake or Rick for what they did.

I hate on rick for consolidating and making his keepers worse though,
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:02 am to
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john lackey is now officially off the market


:omg:
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:03 am to
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I hate on rick for consolidating and making his keepers worse though,


no shite

Oden
Bosh
Beasley
Westbrook
Arenas


Only two of them, Bosh and Westbrook, are keepers imo.
Posted by TigerPhan27
edgy racial f'n pervert.
Member since Apr 2008
15693 posts
Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:03 am to
These people don't like Ronnie's team as much as he does.

Patrick DiCaprio, Fantasy Pros 911

In my view it is unquestionably Matt Holliday. Given the change from Colorado to Oakland and his overall tendencies he is not a top 15 OF and arguably not top 20. Oakland does not steal as much as most teams, and regardless of Holliday's SB success rate he will not get as many stolen base opportunities; that is a guarantee. Those 28 steals of 2008 are a huge outlier. Thonly two guys with big SBO numbers were Rajai Davis and Eric Patterson; both one skilled type players from whom they were trying to squeeze value.

Secondly, Holliday routinely hits 35% or less FB; in Colorado that is enough to get an 18% HR/FB rate but that is very unlikely in Oakland. Throw in the fact that his power skills were way down from 2007 and you have a guy that is still a good player but is a fifth round talent. At best. Prediction: 20 HR, 15 SB and a BA below .300 and maybe worse

Ichiro. He's the perennial top 3 round pick of teams that finish in the bottom half. He generally projects and finishes around 70-100 in value. We've got him at #82 in value for 12-team MLB leagues in 2009. I see him as basically Placido Polanco with speed. If Polanco suddenly could steal 30 SBs, would he move up 15+ rounds to the top 3? Nope. Ichiro's HR/RBI leaves you at a disadvantages vs. other OFs (an estimated -3 points in combined HR/RBI standing points) and he'd need something like a .350 AVG and 40+ SBs to dig himself out of that trench to being extremely valuable.

In general, the worst top 3 round picks tend to be those that overdraft speed. Remember that SBs are just 1 of 5 stats - if you're giving up performance on the other 4 to get speed, it's generally a bad move. Also, multi-skilled players who stole 10-25 SBs the year prior can easily drop 5-10 SBs due to nagging injuries, injury prevention, manager philosophy, or aging.


Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 3/10/09 at 10:05 am to
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I hate on rick for consolidating and making his keepers worse though,


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