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re: RichRod>Tressel
Posted on 4/9/09 at 8:11 am to ironsides
Posted on 4/9/09 at 8:11 am to ironsides
ironsides you have quite a short memory,
WVU was a legit team for the years 2006-2008 with wins over the SEC champ in the Sugar, as well as the Big XII champ in the Fiesta. Rich Rod is a very effective coach.
I think as much crap as OSU gets this is fine. Honestly, who cares where SI ranks the coaches? I don't think Tressel has made the in game changes he has had to to win certain games, and has been too conservative to win in others. We had as much NFL talent on our 2008 team as anyone else except USC, and we couldn't get the job done.
OSU needs to take a step back, like Texas and Mack Brown did before the Holiday Bowl 2 years ago, and get back to the basics of wanting to be the best, and not settling.
WVU was a legit team for the years 2006-2008 with wins over the SEC champ in the Sugar, as well as the Big XII champ in the Fiesta. Rich Rod is a very effective coach.
I think as much crap as OSU gets this is fine. Honestly, who cares where SI ranks the coaches? I don't think Tressel has made the in game changes he has had to to win certain games, and has been too conservative to win in others. We had as much NFL talent on our 2008 team as anyone else except USC, and we couldn't get the job done.
OSU needs to take a step back, like Texas and Mack Brown did before the Holiday Bowl 2 years ago, and get back to the basics of wanting to be the best, and not settling.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 8:29 am to Buckeye06
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WVU was a legit team for the years 2006-2008 with wins over the SEC champ in the Sugar, as well as the Big XII champ in the Fiesta. Rich Rod is a very effective coach.
And could have (should of?) played in the 07 title game if they didn't choke on Pitt's dick the last game of the season.
I don't see how you can rank anybody ahead of Tressel and/or Joe PA in the Big10, but that's just my opinion.
Also, FWIW I think Dantonio is a better coach than Ferentz and maybe even better than DickRod.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 9:02 am to SprintFun
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WVU was a legit team for the years 2006-2008 with wins over the SEC champ in the Sugar, as well as the Big XII champ in the Fiesta. Rich Rod is a very effective coach.
And could have (should of?) played in the 07 title game if they didn't choke on Pitt's dick the last game of the season.
Get outta hea with your woulda-coulda crap. If LSU didn't lose Perrilloux we would have won the SEC.
RichRod is an average coach. During his tenure at WV, RichRod went 60-26 (.697) in the Big East and went:
0-9 (.000) against Top 10 Teams
8-17 (.320) against Top 30 Teams.
This is using Sagarin's method because it is easy to look up on USA Today, and it is generally close to the rankings if you do groupings of top 30 / top 10 teams..
Wins are meaningless against they are against good Competition. He did beat the SEC Champion Georgia, but that year Georgia finished 13th or 14th or something going 9-3.
Basically against teams that are not in the top 30, RichRod went 52-9 (.852) but he is a pathetic 8-17 against top 30 teams, and 8-8 against teams ranked between 10-30. So he's not a shitty coach, but he's not great either.
Over the same stretch, Tress has gone:
73-16 (.820) overall
5-5 (.500) against top 10 teams
21-12 (.636) against top 30 teams
It's not even close. Tress gets a bad rap for losing in the NC game, and you won't change my mind with all this hogwash that Rich Rod is a great coach, that WV is in a bad recruiting area (c'mon folks it isn't that far from football hotbeds like Pennsylvania and Ohio).
This post was edited on 4/9/09 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/9/09 at 9:08 am to St Augustine
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are you that fricking dense??
No, apparently you and the poster I responded to are "that dense".
Posted on 4/9/09 at 9:15 am to VABuckeye
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are you that fricking dense??
No, apparently you and the poster I responded to are "that dense".
I guess that is a yes, he still doesn't get it.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 9:26 am to TigerintheNO
Iron,
while I agree that Tressel is better, rankings go down when you lose to a team you aren't supposed to. I'll guarentee that UGA and OU were top 10 teams in the years they beat them. Just because they ended up 11th or 13th or 15th after they lost, doesn't mean they weren't top 10 "when they played them."
I think the bigger travesty is how Ferentz is #1. He gets outcoached and outplayed by Iowa State on an annual basis....
while I agree that Tressel is better, rankings go down when you lose to a team you aren't supposed to. I'll guarentee that UGA and OU were top 10 teams in the years they beat them. Just because they ended up 11th or 13th or 15th after they lost, doesn't mean they weren't top 10 "when they played them."
I think the bigger travesty is how Ferentz is #1. He gets outcoached and outplayed by Iowa State on an annual basis....
Posted on 4/9/09 at 9:29 am to Buckeye06
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He gets outcoached and outplayed by Iowa State on an annual basis....
Then his defenders clamor how its because his teams talent level isn't on par with others but they conveniently ignore how he's the one who has to recruit the talent in the first place.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 9:52 am to Buckeye06
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while I agree that Tressel is better, rankings go down when you lose to a team you aren't supposed to. I'll guarentee that UGA and OU were top 10 teams in the years they beat them.
Can we agree to disagree on this one?
By this logic, LSU had a top 10 win against Auburn last year, and Florida had a top 10 win against LSU last year.
At no point in the season should LSU or Auburn have been top 10 teams. They just weren't last year. If Alabama loses to Utah on the first game of the season, they probably don't even enter into the top 25 until November. Alabama over Clemson looked a hell of a lot more impressive in August than it did in December.
By using the teams ranking at the end of the season I believe you get a truer picture of the strength of schedule.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 10:00 am to ironsides
The rank at the end of the season or after the bowl game? Two very big differences...
If UGA was a top 10 team prior to the bowl loss, he's right.
If UGA was not a top 10 team prior to the bowl loss, you're right.
If UGA was a top 10 team prior to the bowl loss, he's right.
If UGA was not a top 10 team prior to the bowl loss, you're right.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 10:19 am to SprintFun
In any case I think we're splitting hairs; I think he's probably right if you factor in bowl games and I think I'm right when it comes to the regular season.
None of that changes the fact that Rich Rod has an 0-9 record against top 10 teams; factoring rankings whent hey play them makes him what, 2-9? 2-7? It still sucks. (Remember, he wasn't the coach when they beat Oklahoma).
ETA: Can't we all agree to hate Michigan while Rich Fraud is the head coach?
None of that changes the fact that Rich Rod has an 0-9 record against top 10 teams; factoring rankings whent hey play them makes him what, 2-9? 2-7? It still sucks. (Remember, he wasn't the coach when they beat Oklahoma).
ETA: Can't we all agree to hate Michigan while Rich Fraud is the head coach?
This post was edited on 4/9/09 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/9/09 at 11:36 am to Buckeye06
this article had to be written to stir up some controversy. I think anyone in their right mind would have Tressel number 1. Ferentz is real close to losing his job IMO and RR still hasn't proven he's a great coach. good but not great.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 1:13 pm to ironsides
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Can't we all agree to hate Michigan?
fix it
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