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re: NFL-NFLPA Labor Talks | NFLPA has filed for decertification

Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by TGHub
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
2261 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:16 pm to
The NFL doesn't work like most businesses
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:17 pm to
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Do you dictate how much of your employers revenue is shared with you and your coworkers?

The Owners are the employers, they dictate what they pay, not the employees.


Actually the market dictates pay. But since there is a CBA the owners get to avoid antitrust violations. Let's see if they are willing to trade the right to dictate pay for there antitrust exemption.
Posted by rubbabanman330
Baton Rouge/DS
Member since Mar 2008
1704 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:19 pm to
Are they going to go to Supreme Court for this?
Posted by GamecockAlum
SC
Member since Dec 2010
7705 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:24 pm to
If these players weren't in the league, other players would be. There has been a demand for pro football for a long time in this country and there will continue to be that demand. The overwhelming majority of fans only care about players as it relates to their team. Just like college football fans care about their schools, but the names aren't that big of a deal.

Without the NFL, what exactly do you think guys like Chris Johnson and other low IQ players would be doing? Sure some of these players did get degrees in decent fields and would be able to support themselves, but a sizable portion of them would be broke arse nobodies.
Posted by filmmaker45
Member since Mar 2008
14554 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:38 pm to
I hope this crap gets done so we can have football come September.
Posted by TGHub
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
2261 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:39 pm to
What players would play in the league? If they were good enough then they would already be in the league. CJ is in the league bc he's an all world athlete, like many others in the NFL.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:40 pm to
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Without the NFL, what exactly do you think guys like Chris Johnson and other low IQ players would be doing? Sure some of these players did get degrees in decent fields and would be able to support themselves, but a sizable portion of them would be broke arse nobodies.


Relevant how? In a they should take whatever offer they get and be thankful?
Posted by GamecockAlum
SC
Member since Dec 2010
7705 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:51 pm to
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Relevant how? In a they should take whatever offer they get and be thankful?



Yes. They are welcome to find another job, just like everyone else.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:53 pm to
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Yes. They are welcome to find another job, just like everyone else.


And how do u feel about a lockout? Owners and individual players have contracts. U feel ok with the owners saying no I'm not paying that I don't care about contracts?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56130 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 5:58 pm to
Why do the Players get any of the 9 billion? Where is the 9 Billion coming from? the 2 extra games?

I fail to understand the concept of players demanding extra money in a capitalistic market.

Should Exxon employees begin demanding the billions Exxon makes?

I see the players being paid big time money for a sport...

They have free agency..they pretty much do what the want already

The really good players make all kinds of money off their field.

16 games is plenty off football. Owners need to chill on this idea

everyone needs to just go home and prepare for next season..
Posted by GamecockAlum
SC
Member since Dec 2010
7705 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:01 pm to
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And how do u feel about a lockout? Owners and individual players have contracts. U feel ok with the owners saying no I'm not paying that I don't care about contracts?



I don't think players need to be unionized.

The players are complaining now about potentially adding 2 more games to the schedule and are bitching about retirement benefits. However, these same players were bitching about a crackdown on violent hits during the season.

They are hypocritical idiots. They want to have their cake and eat it.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6440 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

If these players weren't in the league, other players would be. There has been a demand for pro football for a long time in this country and there will continue to be that demand. The overwhelming majority of fans only care about players as it relates to their team. Just like college football fans care about their schools, but the names aren't that big of a deal.

Without the NFL, what exactly do you think guys like Chris Johnson and other low IQ players would be doing? Sure some of these players did get degrees in decent fields and would be able to support themselves, but a sizable portion of them would be broke arse nobodies.



I watch the NFL because it's a better brand of football. The best players play against the most competitive environment.

I wouldn't watch NFL games if it degenerated into the Big East of pro football.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:02 pm to
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I fail to understand the concept of players demanding extra money in a capitalistic market.


the players aren't demanding extra money.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:03 pm to
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I don't think players need to be unionized.


Didn't ask that but thanks for not answering my question
Posted by TravTheTiger
Lakeland, FL
Member since Jan 2011
56 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:05 pm to
quote:

Why do the Players get any of the 9 billion? Where is the 9 Billion coming from? the 2 extra games?

I fail to understand the concept of players demanding extra money in a capitalistic market.

Should Exxon employees begin demanding the billions Exxon makes?

I see the players being paid big time money for a sport...

They have free agency..they pretty much do what the want already

The really good players make all kinds of money off their field.

16 games is plenty off football. Owners need to chill on this idea

everyone needs to just go home and prepare for next season..


This.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6440 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players’ union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players’ union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that, among other things, was designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union’s actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our league. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

Yours,

Roger Goodell
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:07 pm to
quote:

This


Yeah except for the fact the first 2 statements show an extreme ignorance and/or misunderstanding of the facts.

Posted by angryslugs
Member since Apr 2008
11349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:09 pm to
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I fail to understand the concept of players demanding extra money in a capitalistic market.


The players aren't asking for extra money. I know it was already said. Just wanted to say it again.
Posted by tiger2012
bossier city/Los Angeles/Atlanta
Member since Sep 2006
4493 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:10 pm to
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The owners want a double whammy - more money off the top to start and then a greater percent of the remainder... all while their teams increase in base value anyway (and their stadiums are typically funded by taxpayers)

Hypothetical 2011 Agreement: what to do with 9 billion

Owners: 2 billion plus 50% of remaining 7 - take home 5.5 billion

Players: 50% of remaining 7 - 3.5 billion


AS the story is revealed, the public will side with the players.

The public will find out that the:
1. Players are fine with Current CBA
2. NFL is making money
3. owners desire for a new CBA comes down to stadium expenses/costs and the inability of the owners to agree on 100% revenue sharing amongst themselves
4. Huge sore spot is that luxury box revenue is not shared - creating a class of haves (Jones, Snyder, Kraft, etc.) and have nots (York, Wilson, Brown, etc)
5. There has been 5+ billion public financed dollars poured into these stadiums


This is a money making league. The league is not broke.

Basically the owners want the players to pay for their luxury boxes/new stadium or their lack or luxury box/new stadium revenue, since they can't get anything out of the taxpayer in this economic environment

economic downturn + public financed stadiums + money making league (albeit flatlining team revenues) = unhappy owners who aren't making enough money.

Players are not asking for anything new, they are fine with the CBA. The owners are using health benefits and 18 games as bargaining chips. What the owners really want is for the players to give up 18% of their share of the revenue.

The proper analogy would be; Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple - huge market cap) asking his employees to take an 18% paycut and also throwing in that he would like them to work 6 days a week instead of 5 but for the same pay. Why? because he's only 43 on the Forbes 100 list and wants to move up into the top 20.









This post was edited on 3/11/11 at 6:20 pm
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 6:24 pm to
anything that helps make goodell look bad is good
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