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nfl changes to the combine ...
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:44 pm
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No, a quarterback’s throwing session on the field won’t be swapped for one in a virtual reality environment anytime soon. But the days of players training for months to score high in tests such as the 40-yard dash, vertical leap and bench press – sometimes derided as the “Underwear Olympics” – could be numbered.
New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is among those to criticize combine preparation as a waste of development time. Many NFL teams are integrating advanced evaluation tools in the draft process. League officials have heard presentations from a variety of experts in recent months. Commissioner Roger Goodell toured STRIVR Labs Inc.’s virtual reality facilities as part of his annual Silicon Valley tour in July.
i'd think they definitely get rid of the 40 yd dash ... that requires a ton of work for someone to get down to their position's number ...
No, a quarterback’s throwing session on the field won’t be swapped for one in a virtual reality environment anytime soon. But the days of players training for months to score high in tests such as the 40-yard dash, vertical leap and bench press – sometimes derided as the “Underwear Olympics” – could be numbered.
New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is among those to criticize combine preparation as a waste of development time. Many NFL teams are integrating advanced evaluation tools in the draft process. League officials have heard presentations from a variety of experts in recent months. Commissioner Roger Goodell toured STRIVR Labs Inc.’s virtual reality facilities as part of his annual Silicon Valley tour in July.
i'd think they definitely get rid of the 40 yd dash ... that requires a ton of work for someone to get down to their position's number ...
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:46 pm to tiderider
yeah, TJ Moe was talking about Belicheck telling all of the draftees and tryout guys that they pissed their time away preparing for combine.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:49 pm to stlslick
curious as to why the nfl coaches and gms haven't told the college players to quit preparing for so many specific drills before now ...
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:50 pm to tiderider
Just like standardized testing in schools
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:52 pm to tiderider
It's a TV event for the league now so it'll stay around in some form.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:44 pm to tiderider
They are making software where they can "tag" a player in game film for the entire year and it gives them quickness and speed scores, reaction time scores, etc. based on their location on the field, the position of the ball, etc.
Its getting nuts.
I saw an article about this, I'll look for it. Basically, they don't need "combine" tests when they have standardized scores for those things based on game film, which would be more reflective of their abilities as well because it involves live action and more of a human/player element. And its just as "scientifically" accurate.
Its getting nuts.
I saw an article about this, I'll look for it. Basically, they don't need "combine" tests when they have standardized scores for those things based on game film, which would be more reflective of their abilities as well because it involves live action and more of a human/player element. And its just as "scientifically" accurate.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:10 pm to tiderider
Maybe now Belichick can focus on drafting an outside the numbers wideout that isn't a project that never pans out.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:13 pm to Jcorye1
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Maybe now Belichick can focus on drafting an outside the numbers wideout that isn't a project that never pans out.
I'd say Belichick has out-drafted the entire league for a decade.
That might be the one spot y'all need help, but the guy routinely bends the league over his knee on draft day.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:20 pm to TheCaterpillar
He is above average, but his greatest attribute is stockpiling picks and not overpaying veterans. He also maximizes players talents with scheme. It isn't often a NE player leaves and has greater success.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:23 pm to TheCaterpillar
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They are making software where they can "tag" a player in game film for the entire year and it gives them quickness and speed scores, reaction time scores, etc. based on their location on the field, the position of the ball, etc.
Its getting nuts.
I saw an article about this, I'll look for it. Basically, they don't need "combine" tests when they have standardized scores for those things based on game film, which would be more reflective of their abilities as well because it involves live action and more of a human/player element. And its just as "scientifically" accurate.
This worries me somewhat in terms of affecting the college game. As it is now, the players play in college the way their coach and team needs them to and then worries about measuring up to what the NFL wants once the combine season starts after college. If the NFL combine is replaced with computers measuring in game reaction times, speed bursts, etc then you will have players during live games thinking "boy I need to really improve my 10 yard burst average in this game" or "I need to go for a strip on this play because my fumbles per tackle ratio is getting too low." They will be playing the game to accumulate computer points as if the game is the combine. The new system will work for a while until the players/agents learn how to adjust to it and then they will have to change the system again.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:27 pm to Jcorye1
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He is above average, but his greatest attribute is stockpiling picks and not overpaying veterans. He also maximizes players talents with scheme. It isn't often a NE player leaves and has greater success.
Bill's greatest strength is he has built the program in such a way that he can cut anyone with a me first attitude and still not lose any significant players because he has convinced his players that simply playing for the Patriots is better than any extra money or fame that another team can offer. That kind of relationship is very rare and takes a long time to build.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:30 pm to Jcorye1
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He is above average, but his greatest attribute is stockpiling picks and not overpaying veterans. He also maximizes players talents with scheme. It isn't often a NE player leaves and has greater success.
Stockpiling picks instead of picking an expensive bust in the 1st is why he is so great. He gets team mentality veterans and solid role players for cheap in the draft.
Yes, he should grab a big time outside WR like he had with Moss, but he never has massive holes on his roster like other teams. The model he has laid out is incredible.
However, I don't think many other men or organizations could pull it off.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:44 pm to TheCaterpillar
And of course there is a little luck involved. Having a 5th round pretty boy from Michigan turn into Tom Brady helped. None of his success happens if he is churning through bust QB's like half the teams out there the last decade.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:46 pm to TheCaterpillar
And of course there is a little luck involved. Having a 5th round pretty boy from Michigan turn into Tom Brady helped. None of his success happens if he is churning through bust QB's like half the teams out there the last decade.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:57 pm to tiderider
quote:I imagine Goodell on this tour like Kim Jong Un, poonting at things he doesn't understand while the yes-men that surround him agree with everything he says.
Commissioner Roger Goodell toured STRIVR Labs Inc.’s virtual reality facilities as part of his annual Silicon Valley tour in July.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:01 pm to TheCaterpillar
You'd be wrong.
Belichick has had a bunch of terrible wasted drafts - constantly trading down and stocking up on pre-season gym rats who never make the team or pan out.
BB didn't draft Welker, Amendola, among others who made big impacts on the Pats...and traded for a lot of those big stars in the Pats hey-day of going to the SB every year... of the big impact players that made the Pats the Pats this past decade.
He did however draft bad offensive lineman, Maroney, Solder, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Merriweather, Taylor Price, etc.
Belichick has had a bunch of terrible wasted drafts - constantly trading down and stocking up on pre-season gym rats who never make the team or pan out.
BB didn't draft Welker, Amendola, among others who made big impacts on the Pats...and traded for a lot of those big stars in the Pats hey-day of going to the SB every year... of the big impact players that made the Pats the Pats this past decade.
He did however draft bad offensive lineman, Maroney, Solder, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Merriweather, Taylor Price, etc.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:14 pm to stlslick
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yeah, TJ Moe was talking about Belicheck telling all of the draftees and tryout guys that they pissed their time away preparing for combine.
Belicheck must not realize a lot of other teams do look at the combine. Hell when al davis was alive an awesome 40 might get you in the first round. Lol
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:35 pm to tiderider
At this point, the Combine is more focused on interviews and determining if the players are dumbasses/total slackers.
I mean, they have the meetings/interviews which are pretty important. Then they see if someone slacked off and did't train hard (by posting bad numbers - which isn't necessarily fatal) or if they pop positive in the drug test (which should be a big red flag).
I mean, they have the meetings/interviews which are pretty important. Then they see if someone slacked off and did't train hard (by posting bad numbers - which isn't necessarily fatal) or if they pop positive in the drug test (which should be a big red flag).
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 8:52 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Solder is a better than league average LT. I have no idea why you are grouping him with Meriweather.
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