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New College Football System Needed- My humble proposal
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:09 am
I know ideas like this have been hashed through, but I think it's far past time to completely change how CFB is played. Here is the run down for my proposal:
1. Group of 5 teams get dropped into their own division and they name their own champion.
2. Only 4 conferences must remain in the FBS. My example below shows the ACC, Big 10, SEC, and Pac remain.
3. Each conference has 16 teams divided into 4 pods.
4. Each pod winner is then seeded by a committee and there is a 4 team playoff to determine conference champion.
5. The 4 conference champions are then seeded by a committee and commence a 4 team playoff to determine the national champion.
6. The first weekend of college football will be Labor Day weekend. It will be a conference challenge like they have in basketball (i.e. the ACC-SEC Challenge). There are 32 teams between both conferences, and thus 16 games will be scheduled. So there will be 32 games scheduled the first weekend. ACC vs. SEC and Big 10 vs. Pac 12. These will rotate, so the next year would be ACC vs. Big 10, and SEC vs. Pac 12 and so on.
7. The games would be decided by the two conferences. These matchups wouldn't determine who wins the pod, so it would behoove conferences to lineup power vs. power. i.e .Bama vs. OSU, LSU vs. Michigan, etc. Each game will be home and away. The conferences will decide which are home and away (8 each). The next time they play again in 4 years, the matchups would remain and the home/away would switch.
8. Televise these first week games on Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday night to ensure prime time coverage since the NFL doesn't start yet.
9. There will be 11 regular season games. 1 is the aforementioned out of conference game, 6 will be your pod games (play each pod mate twice), and then you get matched up with one other pod and play all 4 of those teams. You play a different pod each year and the home and away is swapped. Under this, you will play every team in your conference in 3 years and will have seen every stadium in 6 years.
10. This is a defacto 16 team playoff but with no subjectivity in who makes it. The only subjectivity is the seedings.
Here is my first take on how it would look:
Yes, I know 2 teams get left out. frick Rutgers and TCU, but that's for the conferences to decide.
If we take LAST year's results and make some assumptions, the scenario would look like this:
SEC West Pod- OU
SEC SW Pod- LSU
SEC South Pod- Alabama
SEC SE Pod- Georgia
Seedings: LSU, OU, Georgia, Bama. LSU beats bama, OU beats UGA. LSU plays OU for SEC Championship. LSU beats OU.
Big 10 West Pod- Iowa
Big 10 Central Pod- OSU
Big 10 East Pod- PSU
Big 10 North Pod- Minnesota
Seedings: OSU, Minnesota, PSU, Iowa. OSU beats Iowa, PSU beats Minnesota. OSU beats PSU for the Big 10 Championship.
Pac 12 East Pod- Baylor
Pac 12 Mtn Pod- Utah
Pac 12 NW Pod- Oregon
Pac 12 Cali Pod- USC
Seedings: Oregon, Baylor, USC, Utah. Oregon beats Utah, Baylor beats USC, Oregon beats Baylor for the Pac 12 Championship.
ACC Carolina Pod- Clemson
ACC South Pod- Miami
ACC MW Pod- ND
Acc NE Pod- UVA
Seedings: Clemson, UVA, ND, Miami. Clemson beats Miami, UVA beats ND, Clemson beats UVA for the ACC Championship.
That leaves LSU, Oregon, OSU, and Clemson for the final four. Seedings would likely be LSU, Clemson, OSU, Oregon. LSU beats Oregon. Clemson beats OSU. LSU beats Clemson.
Best things this has to offer:
1. Playing pod opponents twice. I think this is good because it eliminates the chance of fluke games and truly rewards the best. Also, imagine the hype behind a game like the kick six. Imagine Bama won the first game, but the last game of the season determines the pod winner and Auburn would've won by the kick six. The hype of that game would be insane.
2. The conference challenges at the beginning. It would be fun and a great way to start the new season. Plus, ratings would be fantastic.
3. No more bullshite OOC games. Fans get more for the money and the product gets better.
4. This gives teams a chance and basically expands the playoffs to a 16 team playoff without adding games. It takes 15 games total. (11 regular season, 1 conference semifinal, 1 conference championship, 1 final four, and 1 championship.)
5. This removes subjectivity of the fricking committee and removes bullshite "eye test".
INb4: tl:dr.
tl:dr= split 4 major conferences into 4 pods each and have the pod winners do a playoff.
1. Group of 5 teams get dropped into their own division and they name their own champion.
2. Only 4 conferences must remain in the FBS. My example below shows the ACC, Big 10, SEC, and Pac remain.
3. Each conference has 16 teams divided into 4 pods.
4. Each pod winner is then seeded by a committee and there is a 4 team playoff to determine conference champion.
5. The 4 conference champions are then seeded by a committee and commence a 4 team playoff to determine the national champion.
6. The first weekend of college football will be Labor Day weekend. It will be a conference challenge like they have in basketball (i.e. the ACC-SEC Challenge). There are 32 teams between both conferences, and thus 16 games will be scheduled. So there will be 32 games scheduled the first weekend. ACC vs. SEC and Big 10 vs. Pac 12. These will rotate, so the next year would be ACC vs. Big 10, and SEC vs. Pac 12 and so on.
7. The games would be decided by the two conferences. These matchups wouldn't determine who wins the pod, so it would behoove conferences to lineup power vs. power. i.e .Bama vs. OSU, LSU vs. Michigan, etc. Each game will be home and away. The conferences will decide which are home and away (8 each). The next time they play again in 4 years, the matchups would remain and the home/away would switch.
8. Televise these first week games on Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday night to ensure prime time coverage since the NFL doesn't start yet.
9. There will be 11 regular season games. 1 is the aforementioned out of conference game, 6 will be your pod games (play each pod mate twice), and then you get matched up with one other pod and play all 4 of those teams. You play a different pod each year and the home and away is swapped. Under this, you will play every team in your conference in 3 years and will have seen every stadium in 6 years.
10. This is a defacto 16 team playoff but with no subjectivity in who makes it. The only subjectivity is the seedings.
Here is my first take on how it would look:
Yes, I know 2 teams get left out. frick Rutgers and TCU, but that's for the conferences to decide.
If we take LAST year's results and make some assumptions, the scenario would look like this:
SEC West Pod- OU
SEC SW Pod- LSU
SEC South Pod- Alabama
SEC SE Pod- Georgia
Seedings: LSU, OU, Georgia, Bama. LSU beats bama, OU beats UGA. LSU plays OU for SEC Championship. LSU beats OU.
Big 10 West Pod- Iowa
Big 10 Central Pod- OSU
Big 10 East Pod- PSU
Big 10 North Pod- Minnesota
Seedings: OSU, Minnesota, PSU, Iowa. OSU beats Iowa, PSU beats Minnesota. OSU beats PSU for the Big 10 Championship.
Pac 12 East Pod- Baylor
Pac 12 Mtn Pod- Utah
Pac 12 NW Pod- Oregon
Pac 12 Cali Pod- USC
Seedings: Oregon, Baylor, USC, Utah. Oregon beats Utah, Baylor beats USC, Oregon beats Baylor for the Pac 12 Championship.
ACC Carolina Pod- Clemson
ACC South Pod- Miami
ACC MW Pod- ND
Acc NE Pod- UVA
Seedings: Clemson, UVA, ND, Miami. Clemson beats Miami, UVA beats ND, Clemson beats UVA for the ACC Championship.
That leaves LSU, Oregon, OSU, and Clemson for the final four. Seedings would likely be LSU, Clemson, OSU, Oregon. LSU beats Oregon. Clemson beats OSU. LSU beats Clemson.
Best things this has to offer:
1. Playing pod opponents twice. I think this is good because it eliminates the chance of fluke games and truly rewards the best. Also, imagine the hype behind a game like the kick six. Imagine Bama won the first game, but the last game of the season determines the pod winner and Auburn would've won by the kick six. The hype of that game would be insane.
2. The conference challenges at the beginning. It would be fun and a great way to start the new season. Plus, ratings would be fantastic.
3. No more bullshite OOC games. Fans get more for the money and the product gets better.
4. This gives teams a chance and basically expands the playoffs to a 16 team playoff without adding games. It takes 15 games total. (11 regular season, 1 conference semifinal, 1 conference championship, 1 final four, and 1 championship.)
5. This removes subjectivity of the fricking committee and removes bullshite "eye test".
INb4: tl:dr.
tl:dr= split 4 major conferences into 4 pods each and have the pod winners do a playoff.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:12 am to Moustache
If you want parity , lower scholarships from 85 to 75.
Alabama's entire 2 deep on both sides are more talented than Cincy/CCU
Elite teams can stockpile talent.
Alabama's entire 2 deep on both sides are more talented than Cincy/CCU
Elite teams can stockpile talent.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:13 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:16 am to WarCamEagle
quote:
If you want parity , lower scholarships from 85 to 75.
Alabama's entire 2 deep on both sides are more talented than Cincy/CCU
Elite teams can stockpile talent.
It still doesn't change the "mulligans" and stupid subjective "eye tests" from a committee. This forces teams to earn it on the field.
I think this would help parity some. But yes, parity is another conversation that needs to be had.
The main problem now is too many kids opting out. IN a 16 team playoff, which this essentially is, it keeps teams in it for longer.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:16 am to Moustache
Definitely sounds better to me. I think realignment will be challenging but it’s necessary to save the sport. However I see the big 12 remaining over the pac 12 IMO
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:25 am to Parade Grounds
Texas would ruin the big 12 from staying
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:26 am to Moustache
Best case for college football.
Conferences matter. Winning your conference would get you in. And you would have all teams still battling it out until the end.
Basically a 16 team playoff which would be exciting postseason play and eliminate the need for bowls or players opting out
Conferences matter. Winning your conference would get you in. And you would have all teams still battling it out until the end.
Basically a 16 team playoff which would be exciting postseason play and eliminate the need for bowls or players opting out
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:32 am to Moustache
What’s your scenario for tie breaks when the two best teams in a pod split? Seems like that would happen fairly often.
Your model is basically the NFL, with a slightly different playoff format. That’s not a bad thing.
Your model is basically the NFL, with a slightly different playoff format. That’s not a bad thing.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:34 am to Xenophon
quote:
What’s your scenario for tie breaks when the two best teams in a pod split? Seems like that would happen fairly often.
Your model is basically the NFL, with a slightly different playoff format. That’s not a bad thing.
Exactly the point. It's the NFL without wildcards, which is as objective as it gets.
Tie breaker scenarios would be as follows for same pod records:
1. Head to head
2. record against your pod only
3. record against the common other pod you were matched up against
4. ??? AP ranking?
Here are the NFL ones:
Head-to-head record.
Division record.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:36 am to Moustache
quote:This is crazy but hear me out...
New College Football System Needed- My humble proposal
Play in stadiums with lots of fans.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:38 am to Moustache
My honest opinion is that for anything to work we need to get rid of conference affiliation. Four regions. Two tiers. Regions: West, Midwest, South, East. Forty-fifty teams in tier 1. Relegation for all other teams to tier 2 and they do their own playoff. Four regional winners play for a title in a four team playoff. Voting system would be eliminated.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:39 am to G The Tiger Fan
How the frick does that solve players not giving a shite or fans tired of seeing the same teams in playoffs?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:40 am to emoney
Basically what the model the OP placed is.
The pod playoffs is a mini 16 team playoff and you get to crown conference champions and then those champs play for the national
The pod playoffs is a mini 16 team playoff and you get to crown conference champions and then those champs play for the national
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:42 am to lsusteltz16
I don't know but I can't imagine anything short of drastically lowering NFL salaries will make a difference on those matters.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:42 am to emoney
quote:
Relegation for all other teams to tier 2
THis soccer idea of relegation isn't gonna work. I like it, but we have contracts and lots of money at stake here.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:42 am to Moustache
IMO the first conference realignment started the downtrend of college football. Getting rid of long standing rivalries and realignment for realignments sake rather than if it made any sense. (WVU in the Big 12????)
Compound that with players skipping bowl games, transfer portal, the COVID season, no fans, opt outs, etc.
College football was built on tradition and the more you change, little by little that tradition gets taken away.
I realize I sound "get off my lawn" but thats the way I see it. And not sure realigning conferences gets you the product we all love and want to watch
Compound that with players skipping bowl games, transfer portal, the COVID season, no fans, opt outs, etc.
College football was built on tradition and the more you change, little by little that tradition gets taken away.
I realize I sound "get off my lawn" but thats the way I see it. And not sure realigning conferences gets you the product we all love and want to watch
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:48 am to UncleSlick
quote:
MO the first conference realignment started the downtrend of college football. Getting rid of long standing rivalries and realignment for realignments sake rather than if it made any sense. (WVU in the Big 12????)
Compound that with players skipping bowl games, transfer portal, the COVID season, no fans, opt outs, etc.
College football was built on tradition and the more you change, little by little that tradition gets taken away.
I realize I sound "get off my lawn" but thats the way I see it. And not sure realigning conferences gets you the product we all love and want to watch
You're right. I think this will bring some rivalry and tradition back. Teams playing each other twice a year, conference championships, conference OOC challenges. Imagine the ACC-Pac12 challenge when ND gets to take on USC. The hype that game would get is incredible.
We can't go back to the old system, as that's over now unfortunately. But we shouldn't give up and this is a way to fix it IMO.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:51 am to Moustache
This 4 pods of 16 new idea gets posted like twice a month
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:54 am to David, Larry David
quote:
This 4 pods of 16 new idea gets posted like twice a month
Yes, but it usually just ends with people suggesting playoffs with multiple wild cards and "at large" bids.
This one is different in that it proposes an all conference schedule with one out of conference game being the inter-conference challenge at the beginning of the year.
All subjectivity is removed.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:01 am to Moustache
I'm in. I want more games that involve OOC P5 opponents on campus. Imagine LSU vs Oklahoma at LSU or vice versa. Please sign me up now
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:10 am to crazyLSUstudent
quote:
I want more games that involve OOC P5 opponents on campus. Imagine LSU vs Oklahoma at LSU or vice versa. Please sign me up now
This would force all games to be against P5 opponents.
Imagine the SEC-Big 10 challenge. you would have LSU- Michigan, Bama-OSU, Florida-PSU, Wisconsin-Georgia, etc. all in one weekend. It'd be awesome.
Then in the same weekend you would have the ACC-Pac 12 challenge and have Clemson- Stanford, USC-Notre Dame, Cal-Miami all in one weekend too.
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