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re: Lionel Hollins out of Memphis

Posted on 6/10/13 at 9:59 pm to
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 9:59 pm to
Did they consider how the players will react to this?
Rift between coach/management and coach/players which is worse?
Posted by Slippery Slope
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 10:04 pm to
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Did they consider how the players will react to this?


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@ChrisVernonShow: was told Grizzlies sat down with every player on team before making decision. guess not as much "O Captain, My Captain" as predicted
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 10:06 pm to
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Get rid of a guy that takes you to the WCF for a guy that's never coached an NBA game in his life.
Tactics are severely overrated by fans. Every coach at this level knows tactics. Coaching at the NBA level is about babysitting personalities and playing the best players on your team.

Hollins was awful at the latter part. So the Grizzlies got rid of him. It's really not that big of a deal.

Coincidentally, this is also why the Nuggets got rid of George Karl. And why I thought Clippers needed to fire VDN.
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 12:04 am to
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i think you're overstating how important coaches are


True. See Miami.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 12:17 am to
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Tactics are severely overrated by fans. Every coach at this level knows tactics. Coaching at the NBA level is about babysitting personalities and playing the best players on your team.


Completely disagree. If we are talking about the regular season then yes but playoff basketball requires adjustments and then adjustments to how the opposite coach adjust to you. There's more to a gameplan than who you want to get the ball too. You have to worry about

• how your going to guard ball screens (jam, hedge, trap, switch) and these rules on the NBA level gets specific as having different gameplan for different players being in the ball screens

• how your going to guard guys in the post (halfway, full front, behind, double team)

• when you double team the post (on the catch, on the face up or dribble)

• and of course how your going to attack the opposing defense. On ball screens are you going to roll them or pop them. If the defense shows on screens when do you slip and how do you space shooters to take advantage of the helping defense.

I could talk all night about this stuff just don't have the time.
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:09 am to
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Completely disagree. If we are talking about the regular season then yes but playoff basketball requires adjustments and then adjustments to how the opposite coach adjust to you.
Right, but the vast majority of NBA coaches and assistants know these adjustments. You're not getting an NBA job if you don't know tactics. It's such a small percentage that screw this stuff up. That's the whole point of why it's overrated by fans.

I never said coaches don't do anything. I said coaches are overrated because they all know the same shite. Very, very few are innovative. Very, very few actually get more production out of their players than other coaches.

Does this mean a coach has never cost his team a series by (not) making an adjustment? No. Does this mean the common fan could successfully be an NBA head coach? Hell no.
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