re: Less impressive: Westbrook avg triple/double or Harden scoring streak?

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Harden draws fouls by shot type at an unprecedented level. Plain and simple.

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Prove your case.

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Holiday shoots more at the rim than Harden, but draws half the free throws.

Feel free to explain the angle of attack as the difference.

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Not literally the angle of attack. I'm talking about how and when they attack the rim.

Some players shy away from contact. Some players go through the contact. Some players shoot lay-ups only when they are open. Some players shoot lay-ups with little space. Some players shoot lay-ups off of passes. Some players drive in from the top of the key all the way to the bucket. Some players are bigger and challenge bigs at the rim. Some players are smaller and avoid bigs. Some players get a lot of their lay-ups in transition. Some players get their lay-ups in the half-court.

On and on.

Simply comparing the number of times a player shoots a lay-up and the number of times they are fouled and chalking any difference up to the refs is simple-minded.

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Saying Harden is elite at drawing fouls is not debatable.

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The insinuation you and other people make when they bring up Harden going to the line is that he is doing something underhanded to get free throws that he doesn't deserve, and players like Jrue are getting fouled and it isn't being called. You may deny it, but that's exactly the motivation you and others have for constantly going on about Harden getting to the line.

Harden does draw fouls. But it's because he gets fouled.

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Harden does draw fouls. But it's because he gets fouled.

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I wholeheartedly believe he's more interested in drawing a foul than he is in making a shot on many of his drawn fouls. His incredibly low and-1 opportunities support that claim.

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I wholeheartedly believe he's more interested in drawing a foul than he is in making a shot on many of his drawn fouls. His incredibly low and-1 opportunities support that claim.

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I could just as easily say because he's big and strong and doesn't shy away from contact that he gets fouled harder than someone like Jrue which contribute to lower and-1 opportunities.

Or I could say they are calling more ticky-tack fouls for other players which makes it easier for them to finish the basket through the ticky-tack foul.

Again, you did not put any effort into the "why". You simply looked at some numbers and just made up your own explanation and called it a day.



By the way, I reject your premise. Here are some players and their percentage of 2-point shooting fouls that are and-1's:

12.2% Khris Middleton
12.5% Jeremy Lin
13.1% Andrew Wiggins
13.6% Jayson Tatum
14.4% John Wall
14.6% Devin Booker
15.9% Kyle Kuzma
16.6% DeMarre Carroll
17.1% James Harden
17.6% Kevin Durant
17.7% Russell Westbrook
18.1% Donovan Mitchell
18.6% Victor Oladipo
18.6% Bradley Beal
18.7% Joel Embiid
18.8% Jimmy Butler
23% Jrue Holiday



Jrue Holiday is actually the anomaly as he converts a high percentage of his 2-point fouls into and-1's.

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By the way, I reject your premise. Here are some players and their percentage of 2-point shooting fouls that are and-1's:

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Can you link that?

I'm having to calculate it from multiple event indexes on BR.

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There are at least a dozen guys in the NBA that could do what he is doing

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James Harden is sitting No. 1 all-time in scoring rate right now, on pace for the only season in NBA history over 35 points per 75 possessions. (!) He's doing it on better efficiency (relative to league) than the next 3 guys.

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Wow

volume + efficiency that the league has never ever seen and that includes the GOAT. And this don’t even take into consideration his elite passing does it?

Best offensive player ever??

That’s nba. That’s just a by-product. For heavens sake they were #1 offense all time last year. In order to have that kinda offense you gotta let James make those turnovers. Gotta let him push the issue. Can’t try to reign him in. Otherwise you won’t be GOAT offense.