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re: Ky derby week thread!

Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:46 am to
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
NE Ohio via Tangipahoa
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:46 am to
Here you go Rohan..
Obvious Tier 1: 8 - 18 not sure any of these two can rate if they get shuffled back

Tier 2: 2-10-15-19

Tier 3: 3-7-12-20 lot of closers in this bunch that could surprise for one of the top 2 spots

Tier 4; 4-6-13

My non favorite winner is Firing Line #10
Hers a $1 Tri part wheel for you with the favs on top;
8-18/8-10-18/2-3-6-15-19-20 = $16
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14157 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:51 am to
If frosted doesnt bounce, hes sitting in a bigger race. got his health in order and beat the bias to crush wood.

still not sure who to bet???
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:00 am to
Not sure I agree with you on Frosted. I find that when a trainer changes everything and gets a top run out from the horse, then that is likely the majority of the improvement.

Mubtaahij is a worthy international challenger, but I am not sure he is going to appreciate the concrete surface that is CD today, especially with brand new shoes.

Damn watching the 4th race and there appears to be almost no kickback. That track must be hard as a rock. Also, looking like the speed is tiring.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 11:08 am
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14157 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:08 am to
horse had breathing issues, which they had corrected, then, while fixed runs a big race.

he either bounces like a basketball, or runs another big race.


Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:10 am to
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cuyahoga tiger


Thanks brother. Reading up a little bit on pedigree, conditions, earlier races.. I like the 10 and the 18 just off a quick glance.
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
NE Ohio via Tangipahoa
Member since Nov 2011
5925 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:12 am to
I look at this race like this: the odds are against both AP and Dort getting a good break and not get shuffled back. Both like to set the pace. If these 2 get in front entering the back stretch it will be a two horse race. However, I think one of them gets shuffled and looses his nerve and that sets up for a stalker/closer type and money to be won. Firing Line, Upstart, Carpe, Frosted, Materiality all have the stones to win.
Off to the track, good luck to all!!
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:15 am to
21-1 on Upstart is simply insane. God, I hope those odds hold.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14157 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

21-1 on Upstart is simply insane. God, I hope those odds hold.


it might go down to 18/1 at the worst or go up a few ticks. u wont see much difference, too much money already in the pool

Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:18 am to
there are 3 horses with 3 triple digit Beyers, the other two are below 5-1. The outside draw doesn't do him any favors, but you have to bet on him just for the overlay, no?

also, as someone who saw Funny Cide enter the starting gate at 15-1 and leave it at 11-1, the odds can always drop...
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 11:21 am
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14157 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:25 am to
quote:

also, as someone who saw Funny Cide enter the starting gate at 15-1 and leave it at 11-1, the odds can always drop...



Psssst Funny Cide went of at 13/1($27.60), nearly 14/1. You might have watched him drop to 11/1 in fantasy island, but certainly not in Kentucky Derby.

Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:28 am to
I had a winning ticket on him and was watching from the top of the infield bleachers at the 8th pole.I will fully admit that the my memory isn't perfect, but I remember quite clearly that odds dropped noticeably from the parade to whet I eventually collected on him.

Wondering a bit why the jockey didn't just let Gimme the Lute run on rather than fighting him the whole first half of that race. Doubt he would have beat the winner, but might have taken second.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 11:45 am
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
110240 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:42 am to
I just love the difference in him when he switched to dirt. Immediate change. I like him, but I'm fully aware he could run last.

I'm having a hard time keeping up today. At the barn with one that got the crap kicked out of him last night
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
110240 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:46 am to
I don't trust throats. I like him, but who is to say he won't have another issue
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:49 am to
the surgery works about 50/50. The problem is it doesn't really make the horse better- it just helps them not stop dead cold in a race.
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
110240 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:50 am to
You're a vet, right?

Ideas on minimizing what will surely become a giant scar?
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:52 am to
is a tight suturing job a possibility? I also really like Animax to help keep the granulation tissue in check.

IF more of an abrasion, SSD can help as well.

Trypzyme works great on dogs/cats is quickening healing, but I am not sure it is available at the moment.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 11:58 am
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
110240 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 11:56 am to
Yep. Stitches look great.

This is the before picture I got while getting ready for the wedding:



Thankfully it's not as deep as it looks. He scars super easy, though.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:03 pm to
NICE! You might be surprised, though, I have found that the deep lacerations over a muscle can heal cleaner than one would think. As long as no sneaky sequestrum on the pelvis.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38495 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:06 pm to
Alright, I'm heading over to OTB soon. Wondering where the smart money is.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:06 pm to
They keep showing the replay of the FOY, and granted they aren't showing a head on of the stretch, but it really doesn't look like Itsaknockout was making a winning move at any point in that stretch.
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