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re: I liked the call to go for it

Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:56 am to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:56 am to
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Wait, you really think the Lions' decision to NOT take the ball in sudden death overtime was more reasonable than the Patriots decision to go for it on 4th and 2?


I don't remember the game so I don't know the circumstances. But if the wind was strong and there were other mitigating factors, it could at least be a defendable decision even if I don't agree with it.

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And you are calling other people idiots?


Bellicheat's decision to go against the % and risk giving Peyton Manning, THE BEST QB IN THE NFL, a short field instead making him go 70+ yards was idiotic, yes.
Posted by mannybeingmanny
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:28 am to
The game was indoors.
Posted by AreJay
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:05 am to
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The game was indoors.


game was in chicago

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Posted by mannybeingmanny
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:20 am to
shite
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:50 am to
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Peter King MONDAY MORNING QB

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No matter which way you dissect it, Bill Belichick made the wrong call

This call reminds me a lot of Grady Little's call in the 2003 playoffs, when all logic said he had to take a done-in Pedro Martinez out of Game 7 of the ALCS playoffs in Yankee Stadium. But he refused, rode his horse into the valley of death, and watch Martinez give up the lead and, as it turned out, the season. This call is certainly as controversial, but it doesn't quite have the finality of Little's laissez-faire foolhardiness. The Patriots should still win their division and host at least one home playoff game. That's not the same as having home-field advantage through the playoffs, which was possible midway through the fourth quarter but is now out the window.


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New England timeout, 2:08 left. The Patriots' last one.

Why? I wondered. Get the punt team on the field, try to pin Peyton Manning back as far as you can, and make him drive 70 or so yards. The New England punter, Chris Hanson, hadn't had any of his four punts returned, and he'd averaged a 44-yard net. So if he did what he'd done all night, the Colts would start at their own 28 at the two-minute warning with one timeout left.

Belichick was talking to Brady on the sidelines. I was sure they were talking about trying to draw the Colts offside with a hard count; there was no way he'd be authorizing going for it on fourth down. But back went Brady to the field, and he lined up in the shotgun, and started calling signals without the head-bob you normally associate with trying to draft a team offside.

"My God,'' I thought, "he's going for it!'' (Full video here.)

Two things had to factor in here. One: Belichick didn't want to give Manning the ball with two minutes to go; he'd just seen Manning take the Colts 79 yards in six plays for a touchdown. Two: He trusted Brady to get two yards. Let's place the odds of Brady getting two yards at 60, 65 percent. The odds of Manning going 72 yards to score a touchdown in less than two minutes ... that's maybe 35 percent.

You might say Manning's chance of taking his team 72 yards are better than 35 percent. Not sure I would. On his previous seven possessions, covering about 30 minutes of game time, Manning had done the following:

· Six plays, 79 yards, touchdown.

· One play, zero yards, interception.

· Five plays, 79 yards, touchdown.

· Six plays, 16 yards, punt.

· Four plays, 24 yards, interception.

· Five plays, 16 yards, punt.

· Three plays, no yards, punt.

Three punts, two interceptions, two touchdowns. Now, maybe Belichick thought his defense was tired. Maybe he feared Manning. Maybe he trusted Brady. Whatever, the faulty logic here is that Manning was a sure thing to ram it down the Patriots' throats. Yes, he'd just done that, but on the series previous to that one he'd thrown a interception, his second of the night. So if the theory was Manning was going to score for sure, I don't buy it.


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Brady looked for his old reliable, Kevin Faulk, blanketed to the right by safety Melvin Bullitt. The pass was on target, and it hit Faulk's hands between the 31- and 32-yard lines, but Faulk juggled the ball as he was jostled by Bullitt. As Bullitt pushed him back inside of the 30-, where he needed to go to make the first down, Faulk got control of the ball and he went down at about the 29-yard line. Immediately, head linesman Tom Stabile gave the signal of both hands going up and down alternately, palms up, which meant Faulk was juggling the ball. And the ball was spotted about a yard shy of the first down.

The clock just then hit the two-minute warning. Under the rules of the replay system, a team can challenge a play until the first play after the two-minute warning; then all reviews are dictated by the replay official upstairs. At all other times, teams can challenge calls, but they have to have a timeout remaining so that if their challenge is wrong, they can be docked a timeout, as called for by the rules.

But the Patriots had no timeout left. The team that never makes dumb mistakes made one with 2:23 to go, calling one because of the miscommunication that resulted in the wrong personnel being on the field.

If they could have challenged the spot, what would referee Scott Green have ruled? I saw the replay eight or 10 times. There wasn't a perfect angle with a camera right at the 30, and you couldn't see exactly when Faulk stopped juggling the ball and got indisputable possession. Over and over again in the wee hours this morning, I watched to see when Faulk had the ball, and it was very, very close. But I'm fairly certain Green wouldn't have been able to change the call, because of how difficult it was to tell when Faulk had it cleanly.

"If we gain seven more inches, it's a great call,'' Brady said at his post-midnight press conference.

Try 30 more inches. And this would never have been a great call. Even it you think you've got a two-out-of-three chance to make two yards deep in your own territory, the cost of missing it is too great. The difference between Manning driving 29 yards for the winning touchdown and 72 is too great. Too many chances for him to err in 72 yards, as he'd been doing occasionally during the night.


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It took only four plays for the Colts to drive for the winning touchdown, a Manning-to-Reggie Wayne slant from a yard out.

All in all, I hated the call. It smacked of I'm-smarter-than-they-are hubris. Let Manning, with the weight of the world on his shoulders and no timeouts under his belt, drive 72 yards in two minutes, with his mistake-prone (on this night) young receivers and the clock working against him. Sure he could do it. But let him earn it. This felt too cheap. It was too cheap. Belichick's too smart to have something so Grady-Littlish on his career resume, but there it is, and it can never be erased
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:52 am to
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payton


how can adults continue to misspell words/names?
Posted by Rockerbraves
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 8:05 am to
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Worst NFL call of the last 20 years

Are you forgetting about the Falcons kicking a FG with less than a minute down by 11 instead of going for the TD against the Saints?
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 8:13 am to
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Are you forgetting about the Falcons kicking a FG with less than a minute down by 11 instead of going for the TD against the Saints?



That's the right call. If you're down 2 scores get a % FG first. Standard playbook move.
Posted by DoublepitstoChestie
Houston
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 8:18 am to
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worse call of Bills coaching career though


Would you be saying the same thing if he made it. I like the call. 99.9% manning is gonna score. Brady is 99.9% clutch in less than 2 minute drills. They should have let addai score. gotten the ball back with about 1:15 left and just drove for the field goal. I know its hard to say let him score. But in the end I still like the decision.
Posted by Tigerstudent08
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 9:05 am to
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Are you forgetting about the Falcons kicking a FG with less than a minute down by 11 instead of going for the TD against the Saints?

Are you kidding me with this shite?
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