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re: ESPN 30 for 30: O.J. Made In America
Posted on 6/15/16 at 8:55 am to slackster
Posted on 6/15/16 at 8:55 am to slackster
After the history of police being used as an occupying force in black communities, can you blame them for celebrating any type of perceived victory against the system?
To this day there is such a huge contrast in the view and actions of police between white and black America.
ETA: I do agree that oj being the champion of this is ironic considering he basically was a sell out to his heritage.
To this day there is such a huge contrast in the view and actions of police between white and black America.
ETA: I do agree that oj being the champion of this is ironic considering he basically was a sell out to his heritage.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 8:57 am
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 8:56 am to slackster
It used to blow my mind when blacks defended Michael Jackson during the child molestation stuff because he wasn't even black at the time 
Like OJ was with the high society and did little to assist the black community, but Jackson clearly did not want to be black and yet they embraced him when he was going through his legal trouble.
Generations of being treated as sub-human will make you sensitive. I think it goes without saying that we are better off now than ever, but you've got to understand and show some empathy to some of their concerns.
Like OJ was with the high society and did little to assist the black community, but Jackson clearly did not want to be black and yet they embraced him when he was going through his legal trouble. Generations of being treated as sub-human will make you sensitive. I think it goes without saying that we are better off now than ever, but you've got to understand and show some empathy to some of their concerns.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 8:57 am to BigEdLSU
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After the history of police being used as an occupying force in black communities, can you blame them for celebrating any type of perceived victory against the system?
To this day there is such a huge contrast in the view and actions of police between white and black America.
ETA: I do agree that oj being the champion of this is ironic considering he basically was a sell out to his heritage.
Yep.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:06 am to BigEdLSU
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After the history of police being used as an occupying force in black communities, can you blame them for celebrating any type of perceived victory against the system?
No, I can't, but my point still remains. You're free to take any "victory" you can find, but you're not going to do yourself any favors in the eyes of the general public when the face of your struggle is actually a murderer. I guess I can understand the celebration, I'm just suggesting that, if anything, it sets your cause back.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:10 am to slackster
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I'm just suggesting that, if anything, it sets your cause back.
But it didn't.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:11 am to slackster
The black community and jury were intentionally misled by OJs defense team and several community leaders into thinking the aquittal of an obviously guilty spouse abuser and murderer was some type of victory for civil rights. It wasnt and the aquittal did not fix or improve the problems of police brutality in LA. I really hope the documentary makes that clear. The first episode seem to be doing more clouding of the issue bringing up civil rights in the context of the crime. If anything OJ was wise to avoid getting involved with the corrupt people misleading the black community early in his career.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:15 am to Rou Leed
Try to put yourselves into their shoes, have a heart. One and two generations removed from true slavery, blacks flocked to l.a. In the hope of a fair life.....
Only to find once they were there and broke, los Angeles didn't want them.
The racism is glaring in all of the comments from the police chief.
These are humans too, try to imagine that your loved ones lives were/are worthless in the eyes of the police/occupying army.
Only to find once they were there and broke, los Angeles didn't want them.
The racism is glaring in all of the comments from the police chief.
These are humans too, try to imagine that your loved ones lives were/are worthless in the eyes of the police/occupying army.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:15 am to PortCityTiger24
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But it didn't.
it has an effect, if you pretty much ignore everything and resort to defending a guy like OJ the general public begins to roll their eyes even when your claim is legit.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:17 am to PortCityTiger24
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But it didn't.
How do you figure? When white people see you celebrating the verdict do you think they have compassion for you? Do you think they sympathize with your plight? Of course not. Any good will you build up in cases like Rodney King or the others mentioned in the documentary are eviscerated when people see you supporting a murderer.
As I said earlier about someone like BLM - you've got a legit gripe but you're not going to get anywhere when you're trying to drum up support for someone like Michael Brown.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:20 am to slackster
You don't realize all the information either at the time.
To me it is "somewhat" understandable after all the shite that went down.
They had no idea the type of stuff he was saying to his friends, like the guy who was asking him what happened to his hand etc.
I mean the way it was presented to some, its fair to think he was freaking out because he was framed and really loved Nicole.
You have to remember, no one really knew how much he beat the shite out of her at the time. You saw for yourselves how much of it was actually covered up.
To me it is "somewhat" understandable after all the shite that went down.
They had no idea the type of stuff he was saying to his friends, like the guy who was asking him what happened to his hand etc.
I mean the way it was presented to some, its fair to think he was freaking out because he was framed and really loved Nicole.
You have to remember, no one really knew how much he beat the shite out of her at the time. You saw for yourselves how much of it was actually covered up.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 9:21 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:20 am to BigEdLSU
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ETA: I do agree that oj being the champion of this is ironic considering he basically was a sell out to his heritage.
He was not a sell out. The sell outs are those who continue to champion the current black culture, which is about gangs, drugs, welfare, and killing each other. But that is ok. The fact that so many voices are silent on black on black crime is sickening. Civil Rights activists are particularly guilty of this.
Young OJ showed how to get ahead of whitey, make something of yourself, even though he was obviously flawed. But aren't we all? Maybe not violent like he was, but flawed in other ways.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:26 am to Taurus
Oj didn't show how to promote black culture, he showed that if you act white and adopt white culture, Hollywood will eat it up.
Same as Dwayne Johnson today.
Same as Dwayne Johnson today.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:29 am to BigEdLSU
Its an intentional manipulation of a jury and viewing audience trying to correlate real cases of racial injustice to a case where there was none. Preying on the jury's sympathies to convince them an obviously guilty man was somehow again a victim of racial injustice. It was a manipulation and shameful use of the real victims of social injustice in a case whose outcome had no bearing on the issue whatsoever. I would hope reasonable people are upset in how they were manipulated.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:33 am to Rou Leed
You can't see the forest through the trees. It's not about if oj was innocent or not, it's that this was the first public trial tilted in a black mans favor.
The black man was finally getting the same type of treatment from the legal system that rich, privileged whites got
The black man was finally getting the same type of treatment from the legal system that rich, privileged whites got
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:35 am to BigEdLSU
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Oj didn't show how to promote black culture, he showed that if you act white and adopt white culture, Hollywood will eat it up.
Same as Dwayne Johnson today.
If promoting yourself by being productive while shunning gangs, drugs, etc is adopting white culture the sobeit.
"Gangster Rappers" turned actors are hypocrites. They used the lifestyle to assimilate into "white" "hollywood" society, yet promote all the ills of the black community. None of them speak out against the black on black crime. Pitiful.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:35 am to slackster
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How do you figure? When white people see you celebrating the verdict do you think they have compassion for you? Do you think they sympathize with your plight?
Are we talking about white people or are we talking about the justice system?
The OJ trial changed everything. The not guilty verdict changed everything.
OJ is a POS of the worst kind. Like I said initially, he was the worst representative possible for the black community, but you can't look at the trial as blacks just backing OJ. You have to understand the context of what was going on, short and long term, to get an idea, right or wrong, why they celebrated his verdict.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:40 am to BigEdLSU
I think you are not getting it. This guy brutalized his wife over a number of years and finally killed her and an innocent bystander. The community used this as an opportunity to address racial injustice at the expense of the victims families to gain a victory that provided no benefits to racial injustice. Continuing to address the crime in a context of racial injustice is a disgrace.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:41 am to Taurus
Gangster rappers are not just a voice of evil to blacks, if you haven't noticed that mindset isnt restricted to one race.
You keep implying that I think rappers are the voice of black America. what about black pastors?
You keep implying that I think rappers are the voice of black America. what about black pastors?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:44 am to PortCityTiger24
How can you not understand the reasonable doubt that Furhman alone created within the trial?
It was 1994, Rodney King was fresh on everyone's mind.
I just don't think its farfetched to think some kind of framing happened. Hell, I was suspicious of it for a while until I saw all the interviews with his friends.
Most of me said he did it just because who else would? he was the perfect suspect, but the LAPD were insanely incompetent/ racist at the time.
It was 1994, Rodney King was fresh on everyone's mind.
I just don't think its farfetched to think some kind of framing happened. Hell, I was suspicious of it for a while until I saw all the interviews with his friends.
Most of me said he did it just because who else would? he was the perfect suspect, but the LAPD were insanely incompetent/ racist at the time.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:44 am to Rou Leed
You make it easy to believe that you have never been exposed to life as they live it. And that's ok, many people haven't. It's possible your unconscious prejudices and biases are preventing you from having any sympathy.
No one is in here saying oj is innocent.
No one is in here saying oj is innocent.
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