re: Any true boxing fans here?

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Well, I think that's disrespectful to both sports. Boxing is nowhere not like fighting and I don't need to see fighting. Fighting is what Kimbo Slice got famous doing to people on youtube in backyards and parking. I like boxing because I don't enjoy watching people fight. I enjoy boxing. It's the sweet science. It's strategy. It's beautiful. Fighting is for roosters and drunks. I don't think I'm beating around the bush when I say MMA is an art and not just fighting. I don't care whether an MMA fighter can beat up a boxer in a real fight any more than I care if a Centerfielder can beat up a Cornerback in a fight. If you're watching because you like to see guys actually fighting, that's your business. But don't bastardize two sports by trying to apply your simplistic interpretation as a general rule.

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Actually, you are wrong. Kimbo was famous for "backyard bare-knuckle boxing"... not backyard fighting.

In his backyard fights, they would just throw hands and that is it. There was no takedowns, wrestling, grappling, kicks, etc.

Kimbo is actually a boxer now.


Now, as for the actual sports:

You see boxing as a sweet science.. and that is great. I like boxing, too. It's called the sweet science because of all of the strategy, the different styles, the technique and all of the things you can do in reaction to what the other guy does. It's great. There is a lot more to it than people realize.

But still, it's still two people trying to punch each other in the face. The way they go about it, the technique and strategy is fun to watch, and that is what makes it interesting, but it is just the ways that they go about trying to punch each other in the face.

When a boxer slips a punch and counters with a left hook, that is just a means to an end... the end being punching somebody in the face and knocking him out.


What you have to realize is that MMA has even MORE strategy. MMA has all of that boxing strategy that you love, plus entirely new elements to it. You have to worry more about distance because of kicks. You have to block kicks, punches, and elbows and knees. You have to be good at clinching like a greco-roman wrestler, you have to be good at defending takedowns like a wrestler, and you have to know how to fight on the ground like a grappler.

As complex as boxing is on 2 feet, the grappling aspect of MMA is even MORE complex. Once you start understanding the strategy of grappling and what exactly is going on, you will have a great appreciation for the sport.

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Holy crap. I've never noticed you before, but are you always this stupid?

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You went on this long fricking rant about how you hate fighting and boxing is not fighting. I pointed out that boxing matches are frequently called fights by boxing fans. You'd rather call me stupid than admit you're wrong. Nice.

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What you have to realize is that MMA has even MORE strategy. MMA has all of that boxing strategy that you love, plus entirely new elements to it. You have to worry more about distance because of kicks. You have to block kicks, punches, and elbows and knees. You have to be good at clinching like a greco-roman wrestler, you have to be good at defending takedowns like a wrestler, and you have to know how to fight on the ground like a grappler.

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I never said MMA wasn't complex and full of strategy. In fact, it seems I'm actually arguing that point against MMA fans, which is funny to me. I just don't find it interesting. I fully respect people who do. The argument I don't get is that if it's more like fighting, that makes it more entertaining. Sorry, I don't buy that, but to each his own.

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Kimbo is actually a boxer now.

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Yup. That's the problem with boxing. 1000 different promotions. Somebody will take you and put you up against some tomato can. Fortunately for MMA, Elite XC or whoever they were didn't survive.

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I never said MMA wasn't complex and full of strategy.

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But you won't admit that it's more complex, either.

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I just don't find it interesting.

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Probably because it's too complex for your small brain to process.

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Yet you were the dumbass who just a few pages ago tried to argue that MMA was just fighting in a parking lot, so that made it awesome.

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The point was that MMA is more reflective of real life fighting than boxing is. Sometimes real life fights happen in parking lots. If you don't understand that, you probably haven't been out very much. Unsurprising.

While MMA does employ its own set of strategies, i wouldn't necessarily say they are superior to the strategies in boxing.

Getting your arse beat standing up, shoot and grapple. Getting your arse beat grappling, attempt to break and stay on your feet, or never let your opponent take you down to begin with.

I realize the strategies are more intricate, but since proponents of MMA enjoy simplifying the strategy behind boxing...

In reality, boxing, in my opinion, employs more strategy for the simple fact that you can't use your legs, you can't grapple, and you have to be in extreme condition to go 12 possible rounds.

The "limitations" some of you talk about in boxing, is what makes it a more strategic sport.

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In reality, boxing, in my opinion, employs more strategy for the simple fact that you can't use your legs, you can't grapple, and you have to be in extreme condition to go 12 possible rounds.

The "limitations" some of you talk about in boxing, is what makes it a more strategic sport.

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This is the most absurd thing I've ever read. You people are arguing that checkers is more complex than chess. I hate to use a cliche analogy but that's exactly what you're doing. It's fricking mind blowing.

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While MMA does employ its own set of strategies, i wouldn't necessarily say they are superior to the strategies in boxing. Getting your arse beat standing up, shoot and grapple. Getting your arse beat grappling, attempt to break and stay on your feet, or never let your opponent take you down to begin with. I realize the strategies are more intricate, but since proponents of MMA enjoy simplifying the strategy behind boxing... In reality, boxing, in my opinion, employs more strategy for the simple fact that you can't use your legs, you can't grapple, and you have to be in extreme condition to go 12 possible rounds. The "limitations" some of you talk about in boxing, is what makes it a more strategic sport.

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This is false... let me explain:

In boxing, you have "macro" strategy... for example, brawlers are weak against counter-punchers. Your strategy based on your style.

Then you have more "micro" strategies such as seeing openings and working specific punches or noticing tendencies, etc.

Well, guess what, MMA has all of that as well. In MMA, you have "macro macro" strategies... such as do you want to keep the fight standing or go to the ground? Should you clinch and tire out someone's arms to make their punches slower? Or clinch and make them tired to get a takedown?

Then, you have macro strategy both on the feet (like boxing), and macro strategy on the ground. For example, wrestlers are good at controlling opponents, while Brazilian jiu jitsu fighters are good at submitting opponents and ending the fight. This can create strategy.

Then, you have micro strategy on the feet, on the ground, in the clinch, etc.

There are so many more variables in MMA than in boxing, it really creates for some interesting strategy.

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Carlton Banks

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You're a great ambassador for the sport. Much more patient with these stubborn jerk offs than I could ever be.