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re: Indexed Universal Life policy. Who has done it?

Posted on 8/1/23 at 5:12 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 5:12 pm to
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Is this a $3M death benefit policy?


It would have to be in that ballpark.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 6:02 pm to
I've never heard of a life policy borrowing against the death benefit (other than for terminal illness or daily living activities.
And in those instances, it is most often a 6% front loaded interest fee. Because you are probably going to die soon. Not an open ended per annum).

I can't imagine how this wouldn't be considered a MEC unless the loan agent is a separate entity from the life insurance company (lol. JG Wentworth).
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
86968 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 10:03 pm to
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Well based off what I’m putting in right now at 58 I’m going to have 65k a year In tax free income. If I pay it to 63 I’ll have about 75k per year…..TAXFREE


I’d like to see these IRR calculations. Since 1928 the S&P 500 would have returned only 5.78% annualized with those stipulations (up to 10% cap in up years, flat in down years). Even without accounting for product fees, your 23 year FV of premiums would be ~$653,500, yet someone is going to give you $65k per year tax free for 30+ years off of that money, which would require a rate of return in the distribution phase of at least 9.25%???

The math simply doesn’t add up, even before you take into consideration the fact the insurance company is in business to actually make a profit.

ETA- the best 23 year rolling period since 1928 would have had annualized returns of 6.7%, which would have grown your capital to $747,000. $65k per year in withdrawals off of that for 30 years would require an annualized rate of return of 7.78%, which literally has never happened in any 15 year rolling period in market history, much less any 30 year period. This is some snake oil math my friend.
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 10:13 pm
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