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re: WR's Everywhere, but no QB's

Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

gene_parmesan



Any point you trying to make other than repeating the same bullshite that the qb play was bad? No shite.

You aren't breaking any new ground here.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12139 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

And I'd say LSU just had 3 of the worst losses in the Miles era, in the same season.


And regardless of if you mean painful or embarrassing, you're wrong.
Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:57 pm to
And your pitiful attempts to defend it haven't improved at all I see.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
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42163 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:59 pm to
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And your pitiful attempts to defend it haven't improved at all I see.


Can you read? I just said the qb play was terrible.
I'm not defending anything about it.

You just sound like a broken record repeating the same shite we all know.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:59 pm to
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Any point you trying to make other than repeating the same bullshite that the qb play was bad? No shite.


He has several points.

1. LSU has the highest paid coaching staff in the country.
Wrong

2. The amount of money that LSU has paid for the wins it obtained in 2014 is embarrassing.
Wrong

3. 2014 resulted in the three worst losses of the Miles era.
Wrong

I'm curious to see where he turns next.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42163 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:02 pm to
Oh, he's just trying to bash the program.

Thanks for saving me time from idiots like that.
Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:04 pm to
Biggest margin of defeat

Allowed a team that was previously 0-17 in SEC play shut us out, where the QB play was so bad, one writer said that it was "as if Jennings dared the coaching staff to pull him" (EDIT: first shutout of miles era in the regular season taboot taboot)

And of course, blowing a game against alabama that included having 1st and goal on the 6 with 70 seconds left and being unable to capitalize.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 7:11 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12139 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:08 pm to
You clearly weren't watching LSU in 2008. Florida demolished us. Georgia demolished us. We needed a 35-point comeback to beat Troy. And we took Alabama to OT despite throwing 3 interceptions and another to end the game.



But please, tell us more about how much we paid for our 8 wins this year compared to other schools.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 7:09 pm
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

gene_parmesan

Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:12 pm to
I was a junior at LSU and attended both the UGA and Troy game.



Our QB play was 10x worse this year.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12139 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:17 pm to
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I was a junior at LSU and attended both the UGA and Troy game


My apologies. You're not ignorant then. You're just intentionally being a douchebag.

quote:

Our QB play was 10x worse this year.


Seriously, how many times do I have to prove you wrong before you stop jumping to another argument?
Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:19 pm to

1. LSU has the highest paid coaching staff in the country.
Wrong

Its second. so I wasn't really that far off, chief.


2. The amount of money that LSU has paid for the wins it obtained in 2014 is embarrassing.
Wrong

That is up for debate.

3. 2014 resulted in the three worst losses of the Miles era.
Wrong

Also, up for debate.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12139 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:23 pm to
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Its second. so I wasn't really that far off, chief

Is it? Why don't you list the Top 5?

quote:

That is up for debate.

9th out of 15 programs. Don't make me do all 120.

quote:

Also, up for debate.

Again, does worst mean biggest margin of defeat or most embarrassing? Let me know what your criteria is so I can end this argument as well.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:29 pm to
You should know by now that facts arent tolerated by dumbass rantards.

Whats really funny is Alabama spends 9 times what lsu does on specialty coaches and recruiting.
Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:36 pm to
Alabama 12.2
LSU 9.8
OU 9.0
Mich St 9.0
aTm 9.0
UT 9.0

For the record chile, just because I think LSU over pays its coaches does not mean that I think that is a problem exclusive to LSU. i bet plenty of aTm fans would agree they are not seeing a great ROI on sumlin.

Point 2
See list above. Being second on said list + 8 wins = embarassing. again, OU and UT and aTm should all be embarrassed. Again, just because I believe it is bad for LSU does that it mean it is exclusively bad for LSU only.

Point 3
I would say margin of victory is helpful. I would also say you using the Troy game, a game LSU won and thus can't count as a "worst defeat", is not helpful.
Posted by GermantownTiger
Member since Jan 2015
3337 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:42 pm to
Harris
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12139 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:52 pm to
Since 2011:
Alabama - #1 Earning Coaching Staff - #1 Winningest Program
Oklahoma - #2 Earning Coaching Staff - #14 Winningest Program
Michigan State - #3 Earning Coaching Staff - #8 Winningest Program
Texas A&M - #4 Earning Coaching Staff - #28 Winningest Program
LSU - #5 Earning Coaching Staff - #10 Winningest Program

So, given the market value of a given coaching staff in CFB, LSU stacks up pretty well. Better than Oklahoma and Texas A&M and similar to MSU. The fact that ALL CFB programs overpay their coaches is immaterial.

2014 Auburn - margin of victory: 34
2008 Florida - margin of victory: 30
2013 Alabama - margin of victory: 21
2011 Alabama - margin of victory: 21
2008 Ole Miss - margin of victory: 18

2014 Arkansas - margin of victory: 17

Obviously the Alabama game no longer applies if that's the criteria you're using for "worst 3 losses"


Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28881 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:29 pm to
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it has a lot to do with it. It's a lot easier to complete passes from the shotgun. It's easier to complete passes in a 3 wr set. It's easier when you get players spread out where they are more likely to be open. It is easier when you throw more often and the recievers and QB's are ging to get into some type of rythym with it. There is a reason high volume passing teams throw from the spread. If it was as easy to throw from the I , they would run the I.


LOL, are you serious? Throwing under 50% for your career in any system is beyond horrible. Watch him against MSU. 26 attempts in a little over 3 quarters. That was 50% cmp and 6.0 ypa. MSU had a horrible secondary all year, I mean awful. He had 26 attempts against Bama, completed 30% 2.9 ypa 1 TD 1 int, that is extremely horrid.

What don't you get? Jennings is terribly inaccurate. If he set back in the shotgun and threw passes, he'd still have to hit the damn people.

This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 9:38 pm
Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

Since 2011


We were talking about 2014. Just say it. Last year was atrocious.

quote:


Obviously the Alabama game no longer applies if that's the criteria you're using for "worst 3 losses"



Margin of victory is but one factor.
Auburn could have beaten LSU by 60 that night.
The arkansas game this year was the worst offensive output by an LSU offense in 40 years. I fail to see how that isnt one of the worst losses in Miles' tenure.
And I picked the Bama game frlm this year because it was an absolute failure from all 3 teams in the final 80 seconds. The offense cannot score a TD to go up by 7. ST can't keep the ball in play, and the defense allows Bama to basically walk into FG range. When theres plenty of blame to go around, I'd say that goes under "worst loss"
Posted by gene_parmesan
Member since Jan 2014
247 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:42 pm to
And saying the QB play sucked doesn't do it justice. There was no improvement. You can say that Jennings "improved" from the arkansas game to the aTm game, but in reality, he just went from having the worst game in his awful career to having a slightly mediocre game by average standards against a subaverage defense.
Then , after a month of watching film, his only perceived strength since that appears to be why everyone believes he kept the job over Harris and not because of Miles' own stubbornness, he goes out and throws for 50%, for the 5th time in 12 starts.
Not turning in homework is "bad".
Forgetting to feed the dog is "bad".
What LSU had at QB this year, was an abject disaster.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 11:44 pm
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