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re: Update: Collins to speak with BR police after draft
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:19 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:19 am to atltiger6487
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I didn't mean "can't". I know I can talk. I was asking "should I" in that circumstance to the Ranters who say "never."
You people are just nuts if you think ANY husband who knows the probable killer of his wife wouldn't tell the cops IMMEDIATELY, without calling his lawyer.
I think you've all been watching too many cop shows on TV. If everyone in America didn't talk to cops without attorneys present, the entire system would break down.
Actually, it is because we have not been watching too many cop shows that we actually know how the whole system works. You are not wrong when you say that most people "would" talk to the cops. What we are saying is that most people are stupid.
Edit: Also, I don't understand what the husband gains by not having his lawyer present in the situation you describes. I don't really get the time sensitivity.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 10:23 am
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:17 am to ForeLSU
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'm sure that would have helped his draft stock....
It doesn't matter, look what the other option got him.
Point is, if the attorney feel the questions get to be out of line or off topic. They can end the interview and they have answered the police and satisfied the NFL.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:30 am to Captain Want
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There are some people sitting in jails who are completely innocent of murder. You see some get released after being exonerated after years behind bars, spent after someone on the prosecution side including police did some shady stuff to get a conviction. That's why you get a lawyer, no matter what.
I bet they all had lawyers. Most innocent people in prison or there because of bad evidence or lack of evidence to clear their name. Most were id's incorrectly.
I bet it is an incredibly miniscule # that are in prison because they didn't have a lawyer when talking originally to police.
And I guarantee the number is even smaller of those SUSPECTS who said something that made the cops arrest them instead of others (mistakenly or not)
I would guess the % of being mistakenly arrested of murder and having NO involvement with the crime or the perp who did it, is somewhere below .000001% in a situation like LC is in.
If there is nothing in LCs past that connects him, besides being the father or having sex with her, then the chance that he would be arrested is zero.
Even if his alibi was shaky, they can't arrest you with no other evidence.
Get a lawyer and show up YESTERDAY not tomorrow, and your name would be cleared and you'd be a multi-millionaire. PERIOD.
Again, the lawyers comments originally were the worst most damaging parts of this scenario as it pertains to the NFL. He admitted they were a suspect.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:54 am to GeeOH
Dude, you are so stupid and so ignorant about the way these investigations work. Just shut up. Seriously.
Once the story broke, there was no way for LC to have everything cleared up to satisfaction of NFL GMs. They want a police report exonerating him. It doesn't work like that. Plus, if he submits a DNA sample (for paternity or otherwise), results wouldn't be back before the entire draft is over, not just first round.
Plus, you and others mention taking responsibility for "his" baby. Show me where he has been conclusively shown to be the father. You can't because it hasn't been proven.
Still. You act like an idiot (others, too) when you blabber on about visit f the baby, etc. He can't for multiple reasons. 1) baby is still in hospital, and he's certainly not listed on the birth certificate. Hospital won't let him see the baby. 2) he's being questioned during the investigation of the murder of the baby's mother. Again, hospital and police (likely) won't let him see the baby. 3) it's probably against the advice of his very experienced attorney.
So you, GeeOH, and others blabbering on about how Collins should have acted should just shut the hell up. You don't know what you are talking about and have no more facts than the rest of us. Step away from the keyboard and let this play out in due time.
As for Collins, he needs to listen to his very good, very knowledgeable attorney.
As for the rest of the situation, I hope they find the person who perpetrated this heinous crime and bring him to justice. I also hope they find the father of this child and it isn't the murderer.
Once the story broke, there was no way for LC to have everything cleared up to satisfaction of NFL GMs. They want a police report exonerating him. It doesn't work like that. Plus, if he submits a DNA sample (for paternity or otherwise), results wouldn't be back before the entire draft is over, not just first round.
Plus, you and others mention taking responsibility for "his" baby. Show me where he has been conclusively shown to be the father. You can't because it hasn't been proven.
Still. You act like an idiot (others, too) when you blabber on about visit f the baby, etc. He can't for multiple reasons. 1) baby is still in hospital, and he's certainly not listed on the birth certificate. Hospital won't let him see the baby. 2) he's being questioned during the investigation of the murder of the baby's mother. Again, hospital and police (likely) won't let him see the baby. 3) it's probably against the advice of his very experienced attorney.
So you, GeeOH, and others blabbering on about how Collins should have acted should just shut the hell up. You don't know what you are talking about and have no more facts than the rest of us. Step away from the keyboard and let this play out in due time.
As for Collins, he needs to listen to his very good, very knowledgeable attorney.
As for the rest of the situation, I hope they find the person who perpetrated this heinous crime and bring him to justice. I also hope they find the father of this child and it isn't the murderer.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 12:01 pm to GeeOH
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I bet it is an incredibly miniscule # that are in prison because they didn't have a lawyer when talking originally to police.
Want to bet? I mean the number of innocent people in prison is probably fairly small because they didn't have a lawyer but the number of guilty people in prison because they didn't have a lawyer present is legion (not to mention the guilty people that would have had a shorter sentence if they had a lawyer present). Witness and suspect statements are the number one reason why people end up being convicted of a crime. Forensics, not so much. America throws people in prison at a higher clip then pretty much any country on earth...so if the police want to talk to you bring a damn lawyer.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 12:10 pm to glaucon
its really hard to solve a crime like this after a week. physical evidence is likely gone. unless they have videotapes or such then they need an eye witness (probably accomplice) to come forward.
some of you are going to get the shite sued out of you by throwing out people's names in a murder investigation just because you think they are associated with victim or they are a little weird.
some of you are going to get the shite sued out of you by throwing out people's names in a murder investigation just because you think they are associated with victim or they are a little weird.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 12:25 pm to oldschoolgreats
just curious. does anyone know why the lady was murdered or is everyone just speculating that it had something to do with the baby. its not a robbery gone bad, or something else. what has been said that leads the rant down that path.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 12:36 pm to glaucon
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I mean the number of innocent people in prison is probably fairly small because they didn't have a lawyer
That's what I was referring to genius. And that number is much much smaller when you say what's the number arrested because of the original interview. The innocent are arrested because of bad eye witness or faulty investigation, which would happen without or with the interview.
I said bring a lawyer!
Posted on 5/1/15 at 12:59 pm to glaucon
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Edit: Also, I don't understand what the husband gains by not having his lawyer present in the situation you describes. I don't really get the time sensitivity.
good lord, are you really that dense???
Time is critical in these types of investigations.
If the cops come to my door and want to talk, you want me to shut them down for hours, or perhaps days, until I can call my lawyer, engage him, meet with him in advance, and then schedule a time for the police to talk to me.
You think that makes sense??? When my wife has been murdered and I desperately want to help the cops to find the killer??? No, I'll stop to hire a lawyer first. Utter nonsense.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:01 pm to SunnySixkiller
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you are so stupid and so ignorant about the way these investigations work.
No, no I'm not. I actually was involved in forensics last month of the recreating a crime scene. I'm NOT a cop, and don't claim to be. But I do know criminal defense and strategies used.
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there was no way for LC to have everything cleared up to satisfaction of NFL GMs.
Bull shite. What they don't want is a player being asked to speak to cops, and him refusing for 4 days before taking action. They are scared of wasting pucks, he did NOTHING to calm their fears, except of course, hired a lawyer.
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Plus, if he submits a DNA sample (for paternity or otherwise), results wouldn't be back before the entire draft is over, not just first round.
bullshite! I am a national distribution chain for a genetics lab that also specializes in DNA maternity. I can send a sample in today and have the results by tomorrow. 48 hrs at the latest
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Still. You act like an idiot (others, too) when you blabber on about visit f the baby, etc. He can't for multiple reasons. 1) baby is still in hospital, and he's certainly not listed on the birth certificate. Hospital won't let him see the baby. 2) he's being questioned during the investigation of the murder of the baby's mother. Again, hospital and police (likely) won't let him see the baby. 3) it's probably against the advice of his very experienced attorney.
I never said he was the dad. That's why DNA would be needed. But if he is, the rest of your babbling paragraph is absolutely 100% false! Dumbass.
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Show me where he has been conclusively shown to be the father. You can't because it hasn't been proven.
Again, DNA would clear him or implicate him as the father within 48 hrs.
That in itself would severely lessen the chances of his involvement in anyvwya with this murder.
Are you smart enough to see that, dumbass?
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As for Collins, he needs to listen to his very good, very knowledgeable attorney.
Lol, how's that worked out so far? The attorney is thevidiot who spoke up and basically admitted LC was a suspect! That's why, along with LC 's failure to get with police sooner, is EXACTLY why NFL teams dropped him.
Dumbass
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:10 pm to GeeOH
He doesn't know whether the kid was his or not.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:13 pm to TutHillTiger
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He doesn't know whether the kid was his or not.
Exactly. I have no clue if the girl ever even said he was. But, if there's a chance and the mother is dead, I'm showing up getting tested asap just in case I have a motherless child to be there for.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:45 pm to GeeOH
Well, considering we don't know all the facts, so I don't know how well it has worked out. But, if he is involved, listening to his attorney rather than GeeOH, who doesn't have a law degree, is a much better solution. Even if he isn't, still a much better solution.
There was zero chance he was going in the first round after this broke. Period.
At this point, LC needs to make sure he doesn't get sent to Angola (rightfully or wrongfully). If, after he's cleared, he gets an NFL deal and makes bank, that's icing on the cake.
There was zero chance he was going in the first round after this broke. Period.
At this point, LC needs to make sure he doesn't get sent to Angola (rightfully or wrongfully). If, after he's cleared, he gets an NFL deal and makes bank, that's icing on the cake.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 2:08 pm to SunnySixkiller
la'el needs to protect himself with a lawyer but he won't get sent to prison wrongfully because of the kind of representation he has and the national publicity this has generated. its normally poor people with public defenders that go to jail wrongfully.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:14 pm to oldschoolgreats
Just to update:
According to Jason Cole, La'el took and passed a polygraph on Thursday. LINK
still undrafted, still not accused of anything. neat.
According to Jason Cole, La'el took and passed a polygraph on Thursday. LINK
still undrafted, still not accused of anything. neat.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:37 am to DontCare
LC shouldn't even be worried about his playing career, until this is over. His focus needs to be staying out of prison and proving he is innocent in the court of public opinion. No NFL team is going anywhere near him any time soon.
I am guessing cops have interviewed friends/family of the victim and their first question would have been,"...did she say who is the father?" Hopefully I am wrong, but the fact cops went public with wanting to speak with LC implies he is the father.
I am guessing cops have interviewed friends/family of the victim and their first question would have been,"...did she say who is the father?" Hopefully I am wrong, but the fact cops went public with wanting to speak with LC implies he is the father.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 12:49 am to BayouCatFan
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LC shouldn't even be worried about his playing career
What he's been waiting for his entire life is unfolding in front of him. bullshite he shouldn't be worried about it.
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but the fact cops went public with wanting to speak with LC implies he is the father.
They might've also wanted to talk to Joe shite the Ragman but Adam Schefter doesn't care about that guy.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 1:45 am
Posted on 5/2/15 at 1:01 am to BayouCatFan
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LC shouldn't even be worried about his playing career, until this is over. His focus needs to be staying out of prison and proving he is innocent in the court of public opinion. No NFL team is going anywhere near him any time soon.
I am guessing cops have interviewed friends/family of the victim and their first question would have been,"...did she say who is the father?" Hopefully I am wrong, but the fact cops went public with wanting to speak with LC implies he is the father.
I agree with you. But, the longer the cops don't speak to La'el I think he's not a factor in this murder.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 1:38 am to Shaft Williams
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he longer the cops don't speak to La'el I think he's not a factor in this murder.
agreed. I also think that asking to be taken in the supplemental draft and waiting until next year to re-enter the draft indicate that he and his agent/lawyer are pretty confident that La'el will be fully exculpated for any involvement. if they thought the opposite were true, that he could be found guilty of something, I would think it in their best interests not to request to be delayed to the supplemental draft or next year because the case could remain unsolved by that time or he could be indicted of something, both of which would put him in a worse position than he is now in the current draft.
Posted on 5/2/15 at 1:43 am to BayouCatFan
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I am guessing cops have interviewed friends/family of the victim and their first question would have been,"...did she say who is the father?" Hopefully I am wrong, but the fact cops went public with wanting to speak with LC implies he is the father.
they didn't "go public." a reporter asked a question and a BRPD spokesman answered it. there wasn't a press conference or anything and the spokesman included in his response that La'el "is not a suspect."
and the way you guys work, twisting every little nugget of nothing into something pointing the finger at "La'el is guilty because x, y, and z," there is no way to rehab one's self in the court of your public opinion. you're like 9/11 conspiracy theorists -you hang your hats on confirmation bias and cannot be convinced of anything other than what you already think.
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