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re: Trent Johnsons record over the last three seasons (including today]

Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:07 pm to
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this team is horrible at rebounding.


If by "horrible" you mean "third in the SEC", then I agree with you.
Posted by jr33
Member since Jan 2010
1229 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:07 pm to
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Stromile took the Tigers to the Sweet 16 in Brady's third year. We were right back in 6th place the next year.


What planet are you on, for Brady even to get a guy like Stromile to even come here was a miracle, not to mention signing Jabari also. He won the SEC in his third year on a five year probation, with hardly any scholarships. Not to mention going to the sweet sixteem. Stromile becomes a lottery pick and Jabari leaves and he has to start over with no schollies to offer. Five to ten years to rebuild a program is a joke, college bb today is a completely different enviroment than it used to be cause of the NBA. You don't rebuild programs signing guys like Eddie Ludwig and Chris Bass. In TJ's fourth year he finally has a couple of guys who can play but need a year or two. Getting blown out the gym like we did yesterday was a joke for a coach in his fourth year. TJ is responsible for the two worst years in LSU bb history and is close to last place again. Atleast every couple of years Brady gave us a chance. To compete at a high level and have a chance you need some guys who can play in the NBA, four years in we haven't seen a guy yet. JOB maybe. The days of building programs the way it was done in the 80's is OVER. The NBA took care of that. One things for sure Brady took us to the final four in 2006, we are so far removed from those days it is scarey
Posted by saintsfan22
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Member since May 2006
78264 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:07 pm to
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And if this team finishes better than last in the west, he'll be BETTER than Brady was in his first four years.


What Johnson took over >>> What Brady took over
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17609 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:10 pm to
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with the expanded field I can almost guarantee there will be a few less talented teams that make the at-large field THIS year.
Maybe so...can you name some. No shot, just want your opinion.
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There are players on this team. Hickey and Hamilton can ball,
I agree Hickey and Hamilton can ball, good but not great college players.

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JOB is very talented
He is but he came in out of shape and his development has been hindered because of it. He'll be much better next year IMHO. I'm seeing strides to him being more consistently better this year.

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Warren, Turner, and Stringer are all good enough for this level.
I love Storm. He's a bit undersized but he plays hard enough to play at this level. Turner showed last year he could play but not this year. Don't know what his problem is. Stringer is pretty borderline IMHO.

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To not even be on the bubble with that amount of decent players is truly unbelievable.
I tend to agree that we're good enough to be on the bubble. I don't think the best is being gotten out of the team to this point. I'm willing to let the season play out. Had some hope after competitive road games in Gainesville and at State, but pretty discouraged by the second half yesterday.

Posted by The Cable Guy
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:12 pm to
Let's not undermine the loss of Lamont Roland the year after losing stro and Jabari. Furthermore, I want to say brad bridgewater was our center who got hurt forcing a 6'6 Ronald Dupree to play center. That team was certainly not a bottom feeder had Lamont not blown his knee out. That same 2-14 squad played their hearts out and were somehow in everygame despite being overmatched.
Posted by BowDownToLSU
Livingston louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
21065 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:27 pm to
is Gathers a lock to come to LSU?
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Not a lock but LSU is certainly in it.





just looked it up Syracuse,St. Johns,Georgetown,Florida and Duke among others are recruiting him....I hope we aren't pinning TJ's future success on this kid...we talking Freaking Duke..I hope he comes here but come on
Posted by jr33
Member since Jan 2010
1229 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:28 pm to
What's the guys name at Morehead State I think he coached under Brady, he may be a good choice. I am also thinking Kermit has done himself some good lately, he would be another one who knows how to recruit the SEC. It is way past time to move on.
Posted by yungtigr
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2005
3820 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:31 pm to
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I tend to agree that we're good enough to be on the bubble. I don't think the best is being gotten out of the team to this point.


That's about where I'm at. The team doesn't have a wealth of talent, but there is enough there to be in the conversation for first five out/last five in. And that's not any sort of major accomplishment. That just means you're in the conversation as one of the best 50 or so teams in the country.

I think the caveat should be removed as far as gathers goes. There is tournament type talent on this team even if he doesn't come here. Morgan is going to be a good player. I'm looking forward to seeing him here.


There is a very good chance that my opinion on the talent on this team is greatly affected by my clinging to the hope that at some point the Turner that we saw last year will show back up. I just don't get it with him. If we were getting the same play he brought last year this team probably is in a position to start thinking NCAA's.
Posted by yungtigr
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2005
3820 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:34 pm to
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Syracuse,St. Johns,Georgetown,Florida and Duke


most of those elite schools are recruiting him as a plan C type player.

Trent is recruiting him as plan A+. Also NY, and DC are a long arse way from LA.

Those things will factor in to the decision. It is by no means a foregone conclusion that he will come here, but it's more likely he's wearing P+G than that he ends up playing at Duke IMHO.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:34 pm to
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If by "horrible" you mean "third in the SEC", then I agree with you.


if you think we're a good rebounding team, you're lost. their idea of rebounding is standing still and hoping the ball comes their way. the only difference between this year and last year is taller players.

and don't act like 3rd in the sec is a big deal. the difference between 3rd and 10th is 2 rebounds per game.
Posted by SirPsychoSexy
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Member since Apr 2011
448 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:36 pm to
Not sure who's at Morehead. Although you made me think that Brady's best years had Kermit on the bench and Treloar on the bench. No coincidence that we had really good seasons because bench coaching was so strong.

Haven't heard anything about Kermit since he's left LSU though.
Posted by DA
Member since Sep 2007
16251 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:36 pm to
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Overall 34-50
SEC 7-32
Top 25 1-11


Consider this, if another head coaching job opened in the SEC, would they go after TJ?
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17609 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:38 pm to
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I think the caveat should be removed as far as gathers goes. There is tournament type talent on this team even if he doesn't come here. Morgan is going to be a good player. I'm looking forward to seeing him here.
I'm not quite ready to do that. I think his athleticism and toughness is a missing ingredient. Turner and O'Bryant have brought much needed size but they still aren't anchoring things down low as much as their size might indicate they would and all the balls slipping from their grasps makes me pull my hair out.

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There is a very good chance that my opinion on the talent on this team is greatly affected by my clinging to the hope that at some point the Turner that we saw last year will show back up. I just don't get it with him. If we were getting the same play he brought last year this team probably is in a position to start thinking NCAA's.


I think that's a good point. If Turner had built on last year and improved rather than regressed into the timid, confindenceless player he is right now I think we might have 2-3 more wins.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19694 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:39 pm to
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if you think we're a good rebounding team, you're lost.


We're 55th (out of 342 D1 teams) in the nation.

I don't know what to tell you, bro.

The numbers say that LSU is a pretty good rebounding team. "Guy on the internet" says they're terrible.

It's a tough choice, but most people will go with the numbers.
This post was edited on 1/29/12 at 5:43 pm
Posted by zed44
baton rouge
Member since Dec 2006
2613 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:46 pm to

he is all over it good job trent
Posted by yungtigr
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2005
3820 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 5:50 pm to
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I'm not quite ready to do that. I think his athleticism and toughness is a missing ingredient.


If gathers is here next winter I think it will and should be a no excuses type situation for TJ.

He'd have 3 legit bigs, and a good starting point, and a guy in Morgan who I think is going to be a really good 2. Stringer slides to the bench where he probably belongs and that ought to be a very good team.
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 6:22 pm to
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We're 55th (out of 342 D1 teams) in the nation. I don't know what to tell you, bro. The numbers say that LSU is a pretty good rebounding team. "Guy on the internet" says they're terrible. It's a tough choice, but most people will go with the numbers.


look dumbass have you watched any games or are you just going off of the rebounding ranking at the top of the lsu espn page? we're 55th because of offensive rebounds. have you not noticed how many times our big guys miss shots inside and get their own rebound? offensive rebounding stats get pretty inflated when you have big guys who can't finish inside. we do not block out at all. nationally we're ranked 140 in defensive rebounds per game. that sucks.
This post was edited on 1/29/12 at 6:23 pm
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19694 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 6:50 pm to
You said the team was "horrible at rebounding." I'm sorry your opinion doesn't match the numbers. I can't do anything about that.

If I were to guess (and I'm too lazy to look) I'd guess that our rebounding margin completely mirrors our W/L record. If we rebound better than the other team we win, if not we lose. We've played a string of teams with NBA big men (including a couple of lottery picks) over the past few weeks. NBA big men = shitty rebounding margin = loss.

But, we've still won more games than we've lost this year.... thus rebounding looks "okay."

But you're right. I'm probably the dumbass.
Posted by jr33
Member since Jan 2010
1229 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 6:56 pm to
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Consider this, if another head coaching job opened in the SEC, would they go after TJ?


Not a chance, In 2 of his four years he produced the worst teams in LSU bb history. He will have a hard time finding a job in a power conference.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19694 posts
Posted on 1/29/12 at 7:03 pm to
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In 2 of his four years he produced the worst teams in LSU bb history.


11-20 is exceptionally shitty, but unless my math is bad, it's not worse than 10-20 or 9-18, both of which happened in the ten years before Trent's arrival.

quote:

He will have a hard time finding a job in a power conference.


Yeah, coach of the year in three different conferences would make anybody a tough hire.

Keep banging that drum, baby. Maybe we can make a coaching change every 2-3 years. I'm sure we'll get it right eventually.
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