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The big question in all this
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:22 am
In the short term I'm a lot less worried about whether Les stays or goes for 2016 as much as I am the overall direction of the program and the Athletic Department generally.
If this was a one time FUBAR screw up, yeah it's embarrassing, but it's not the end of the world and will eventually be forgotten. My concern is that this signals a shift in power at LSU that is going to return us to the Joe Dean mentality of "let's not try to be the best we can be, let's not spend the going rate to get the best coaches we can get."
Does anybody have any solid reasoning as to why this is one or the other?
If this was a one time FUBAR screw up, yeah it's embarrassing, but it's not the end of the world and will eventually be forgotten. My concern is that this signals a shift in power at LSU that is going to return us to the Joe Dean mentality of "let's not try to be the best we can be, let's not spend the going rate to get the best coaches we can get."
Does anybody have any solid reasoning as to why this is one or the other?
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:24 am to Draconian Sanctions
They went after Jimbo....they didn't get him so we kept the winningest coach in LSU history.
cry me a fricking river
cry me a fricking river
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:27 am to Choctaw
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so we kept the winningest coach in LSU history
Mac is back?!?!
Also, did you miss the part where I said the short term, keep les or fire les, discussion is not what I'm worried about??
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:30 am to Choctaw
Why can't people understand this? They didn't want to fire Miles as much as they wanted to replace him. Sounds the same, but in actuality if they could not get their guy, Miles was to stay. We can all agree that there are better coaches out there. They tried...couldn't get them...so they kept Miles. I could have done without all the media BS that inevitably came with it, but I like the strategy.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:33 am to JAComo
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but in actuality if they could not get their guy, Miles was to stay
Ok that's fine. The question then is this: Did LSU do all they could and Jimbo just said no, or did Jimbo say "give me a raise to 7 mill and i'll come" and FKA balked at spending the money?
If it's A, then ok. I get it. If it's B, that's a huge problem and a major red flag of things to come.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
It was probably A but in the one percent likelihood that it was B and nobody thought Jimbo was worth 7 million, why spend it?
Just to prove that we can?
Just to prove that we can?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:38 am to Walking the Earth
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why spend it?
Because you have to overpay to get an established coach to change jobs.
Saban was like 38-28 at Mich State and we made him the 4th highest paid coach in cfb.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
if Jimbo was the only target that was another huge mistake. Got to have backup plans and can't let the one target hold all the leverage.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
You don't have to overpay if you don't think the coach is worth the new price.
And how do you know 7 million is the magic number?
And how do you know 7 million is the magic number?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:43 am to dandan
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if Jimbo was the only target that was another huge mistake. Got to have backup plans and can't let the one target hold all the leverage.
I agree but that's still a shorter term concern IMO. I'm honesty fearful of a return to the Joe Dean way of running our football program under FKA.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Saban was like 38-28 at Mich State and we made him the 4th highest paid coach in cfb.
we were also coming off back to back losing seasons with Dinardo and Tepper as our coaches.
im pretty sure that had a lot to do with it
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:44 am to Choctaw
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They went after Jimbo....they didn't get him
The major problem that most people have with this is "why we didn't get him". All reports are he hadn't turned us down, but the plug was pulled by politicians (I'm including F King Buttmunch in the politicians crowd) on the LSU side.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:45 am to dandan
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if Jimbo was the only target that was another huge mistake. Got to have backup plans and can't let the one target hold all the leverage.
the backup plan was keeping Miles
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Does anybody have any solid reasoning as to why this is one or the other?
with the amount of profit that the LSU Athletic dept makes for LSU, there are no ifs, ands, or buts that all leadership at LSU is and will try to be the best we can be...regardless of who coaches any team.
For Les, he's got (and deserved) another year. It also happened to be the best decision for LSU, all things considered.
The Joe Dean mentality you speak of is so far removed from LSU.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:46 am to Choctaw
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we were also coming off back to back losing seasons with Dinardo and Tepper as our coaches.
im pretty sure that had a lot to do with it
Sure, but coaches we would hire are obviously successful in their current position and as such have job security equity built up there that they wouldn't have here. As such you're always going to have to overpay unless there is some behind the scenes reason that coach is looking to change jobs.
Again, I don't think keeping Les Miles for 2016 is necessarily the worst thing in the world. I'm taking a big picture, long term view of this.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
The real ? Is why do idiots like u keep posting new threads over and over again like it just happened. Move on
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:49 am to dandan
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if Jimbo was the only target that was another huge mistake. Got to have backup plans and can't let the one target hold all the leverage.
Which would lead one to believe that it wasn't as much about just "replacing" Miles as it was "getting" Jimbo. Appears to have been a "Jimbo or bust" situation and when that fell through, whatever the reason, they said "piss on it" and decided to keep Miles.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:50 am to Choupique19
If you take Alexander's interview at its word (and that's fair since the Rant has done that with just about every other source, rumor and article), things never even got to the "new coach" phase.
He had decided against firing Miles early in the week and formally pulled the plug at halftime. Nowhere did he mention scuttling any deals with a prospective new coach.
That makes sense because FSU never seemed to register any concern that their coach was about to get stolen nor has any "anonymous source" on the FSU side come forward to bitch about how LSU pulled the rug out from under Jimbo before he could so much as leverage the opportunity he had for more cash from his current bosses.
He had decided against firing Miles early in the week and formally pulled the plug at halftime. Nowhere did he mention scuttling any deals with a prospective new coach.
That makes sense because FSU never seemed to register any concern that their coach was about to get stolen nor has any "anonymous source" on the FSU side come forward to bitch about how LSU pulled the rug out from under Jimbo before he could so much as leverage the opportunity he had for more cash from his current bosses.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 8:51 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Sure, but coaches we would hire are obviously successful in their current position and as such have job security equity built up there that they wouldn't have here. As such you're always going to have to overpay unless there is some behind the scenes reason that coach is looking to change jobs.
your missing my point. im saying that if we were horrible like we were in the late 90s than im sure there would've been a harder push to get Jimbo.
They went after Jimbo but didn't feel getting him was a necessity because we still have Miles so they didn't push for him and wasn't about to overpay for him. If we were coming off a 3 win season than im sure the decision would've been a lot easier.
Thats a pretty shitty thing to do to Miles IMO
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:55 am to Choctaw
And ultimately going "back to the 90's" or whatever doomsday scenario you want to dream up doesn't revolve around not firing a coach one year.
Call me when the money dries up and we stop investing in our facilities.
Call me when the money dries up and we stop investing in our facilities.
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