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re: Stop comparing this to 2004 Troy. 2 big differences
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:50 am to Palm Beach Tiger
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:50 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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no matter what we weren't dominated.
we were dominated. it was 31-3 at one point and I don't know if LSU had 100 yds of offense at halftime compared to Troy's 300 or whatever it was.
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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dude the yardage at half was like 250 to 60 or something
We won the game man. We scored 37 points in a pretty damn short period of time to do so, when the game seemed out of reach. We weren't dominated. Even if they did kick our arse for a lot of the game, you can't discount the part of the game that we destroyed them.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
i guess i fail at seeing the big difference.
2004 escaped with a win while having played down to the opponent offensively with costly turnovers and defensively gave up cruicial scores at times.
2008 a team thats been bi polar all year on offense and whose been dominated by opponents offenses all year. played down on offense and played down on defense escaped with a come from behind win.
again no matter how you want to spin it, the team played down to its opponent and people are just comparing it to the last time we faced troy...we played sloppy both days, just the level of play from 2004 to 2008 is different.
now maybe the big difference comes from the seasons as a whole in 2004 and 2008 but thats not what the title is indicating.
2004 escaped with a win while having played down to the opponent offensively with costly turnovers and defensively gave up cruicial scores at times.
2008 a team thats been bi polar all year on offense and whose been dominated by opponents offenses all year. played down on offense and played down on defense escaped with a come from behind win.
again no matter how you want to spin it, the team played down to its opponent and people are just comparing it to the last time we faced troy...we played sloppy both days, just the level of play from 2004 to 2008 is different.
now maybe the big difference comes from the seasons as a whole in 2004 and 2008 but thats not what the title is indicating.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:51 am to Ice Cold
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but your basic premise, that Saban was still building in 2004, is pretty weak.
it's the same reason why it's bad to compare LSU 2008 to UF 2007
UF lost like 10 starters on D, a starting QB, and their starting RB i believe
people act like LSU lost more than it did. i believe we lose more next year
there was a LOT of lost talent from that 2003 LSU team to the 2004 LSU team, and that's b/c we didn't have the depth that we do now. we did have to rebuild in 2004. we reload now
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:52 am to cene
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2004 escaped with a win while having played down to the opponent offensively with costly turnovers and defensively gave up cruicial scores at times.
2008 a team thats been bi polar all year on offense and whose been dominated by opponents offenses all year. played down on offense and played down on defense escaped with a come from behind win.
we kept it close in 2004
we didn't keep it close for 75% of the game in 2008
i mean getting blown out by UF is 1 thing, but this team should never be down 2 scores to a non-BCS team, let alone a MEDIOCRE non-BCS team (people forget that troy isn't that good this year)
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
2004 cant be considered a rebuilding year if 2008 isnt
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Why did we play so bad most of the game? Defensive scheme again? Seems like we should have been able to run the ball at will on a team like that whenever we wanted to.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
It is impossible to factor in emotion and like it or not that plays a HUGE role in college football. Team was deflated by getting knocked out of the SEC race. Played flat and it showed.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
i mean getting blown out by UF is 1 thing, but this team should never be down 2 scores to a non-BCS team, let alone a MEDIOCRE non-BCS team (people forget that troy isn't that good this year)
It is not like they are 2 and 8
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It is not like they are 2 and 8
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:no we don't. Please show me. Top ten tallent hommie.
this team has top 5 talent
22,7,4,11
average 11
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:57 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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Why did we play so bad most of the game?
we couldn't run the ball and we were just trying to run the ball b/c lee was horrible
D could not stop troy. literally the only thing that stopped troy (other than 1 pick) was dropped passes or the refs letting our DBs murder them downfield. troy was driving to win that game and got fricked by the refs badly
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:58 am to bayourant
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It is not like they are 2 and 8
they're 6-4
in the sunbelt
the suck
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
still want to hear your take on the so called top 5 tallent. I have been saying it. This year ia a hangover from the coaching change and it shows on the field at certain positions. Next year we should be up to code though. 
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:00 am to dreaux
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22,7,4,11
you forgot a 2 in there
and you're not looking at star average
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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we kept it close in 2004
we didn't keep it close for 75% of the game in 2008
So? both wins were still sloppy wins. the score should of never looked like that, but it shouldnt' have in '04 either.
the comparison only seems to be that both years we played like shite and had to fight back to win against a team we should of ran all over. I think you are trying to reach on this and make it seem like its a big difference because the teams were different.
i think the comparison is only trying to show that sometimes you don't play up for games like you should. It just so happened that they used the previous meeting against troy.
it would be no different then '07 tulane and '08 tulane. both truly sloppy wins. doesn't matter what team was better or stronger, its just a comparison that sometimes you don't play up to the level that you should.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:03 am to dreaux
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still want to hear your take on the so called top 5 tallent.
best OL in the nation
most talented DL in the nation
#1 or 2 group of RBs in the nation
one of the best groups of receivers in the nation
solid secondary
we're loaded
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:03 am to cene
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So?
do i need to explain the difference in a blow out and a sloppy game?
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
according to who? you?
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:06 am to bayourant
The whole premise of this thread is flawed.
If Nick won a NC in '03 but had not yet fully established his program, then the program must not have been in that bad of a shape when he got to BR to be able to win a NC so soon.
If however, he is the one who built LSU football from the ground up, culminating in the '03 NC, then '04 and its disappointments are all his. You can't have it both ways.
If you're arguing LSU lost a lot of talent after '03, fair enough. But we lost a lot of talent and leadership after '07 as well.
If Nick won a NC in '03 but had not yet fully established his program, then the program must not have been in that bad of a shape when he got to BR to be able to win a NC so soon.
If however, he is the one who built LSU football from the ground up, culminating in the '03 NC, then '04 and its disappointments are all his. You can't have it both ways.
If you're arguing LSU lost a lot of talent after '03, fair enough. But we lost a lot of talent and leadership after '07 as well.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:08 am to kclsufan
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If Nick won a NC in '03 but had not yet fully established his program, then the program must not have been in that bad of a shape when he got to BR to be able to win a NC so soon.
not quite
that 2001 class with spears, clayton, hill, etc was the backbone. we lost 2 of those guys early
without saban, we don't get hill and likely don't get clayton or spears. 1 of the 3 if we got lucky
in 2003 we got lucky b/c we didn't really have any major injuries. we were THIN in 2003
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