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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's not that he was hurt
But he was hurt. He missed gameplay because he was hurt. He lost his mobility because he was hurt.
His injury certainly factored into some of his lackluster performances, particularly our flat performance against Tulane, where he was really hobbled.
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:39 pm to just me
I think that this shows that Ford should be the clear cut starter over Ware
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:40 pm to ScoopAndScore
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And my eyes must be broken because I've seen nothing to indicate that Lee is clealy a better passer than Jefferson. If anything, I would say their passing abilities are a wash.
I think Lee has a better "feel" for the passing game, but I don't really know how to define that.
Lee throws slants and quick routes better. Maybe the fade, though everyone curiously likes to forget JJ's fade toss to TT in the Cotton.
JJ throws a much better deep ball. He has a much stronger arm.
Neither has good ball placement (completion % aside, I'm talking throwing the WR open, putting it in a position for him to make big plays etc.).
Lee has a fire quick release (which gets him in trouble sometimes).
JJ has a long windy release (which has improved somewhat, but still slow).
Lee isn't a great decision maker. JJ is rarely decisive enough.
But hell, we're 10-0 and make this baby work.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:45 pm to OBUDan
Gonna post this in this thread because the other one is fading...
LSU was 45th in scoring offense in 2010. Not good, but not awful.
This year we are 18th. Pretty big improvement.
But here's where it gets interesting.
Rushing offense-
2011 - 30th
2010 - 28th
Passing Offense
2011 - 99th
2010 - 107th
Total Offense
2011 - 79th
2010 - 86th
We're almost identical in rushing, passing, and total offense, except that our scoring offense is significantly better.
What this tells me is that a) we are getting points and/or good field position from D and ST (we are), and b) we are getting more TD's than FG's this year (we are)
Considering how few short passing TD's Lee has scored around the goal line, I don't think Lee has a lot to do with it.
I think the emergence of two legit fullbacks, as well as improved red-zone playcalling, deserves almost all of the credit for our improved scoring offense.
JJ had one first half 3 and out against WK.
Lee has had at least one first half three and out against every team this season except UF, with 2 against Oregon, 2 against NW St., 3 against WV, 4 against Kentucky, and two against Tennesse.
People see what they want to see.....
LSU was 45th in scoring offense in 2010. Not good, but not awful.
This year we are 18th. Pretty big improvement.
But here's where it gets interesting.
Rushing offense-
2011 - 30th
2010 - 28th
Passing Offense
2011 - 99th
2010 - 107th
Total Offense
2011 - 79th
2010 - 86th
We're almost identical in rushing, passing, and total offense, except that our scoring offense is significantly better.
What this tells me is that a) we are getting points and/or good field position from D and ST (we are), and b) we are getting more TD's than FG's this year (we are)
Considering how few short passing TD's Lee has scored around the goal line, I don't think Lee has a lot to do with it.
I think the emergence of two legit fullbacks, as well as improved red-zone playcalling, deserves almost all of the credit for our improved scoring offense.
JJ had one first half 3 and out against WK.
Lee has had at least one first half three and out against every team this season except UF, with 2 against Oregon, 2 against NW St., 3 against WV, 4 against Kentucky, and two against Tennesse.
People see what they want to see.....
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:51 pm to deSandman
Yeah, I'm with you.
People were going bananas over this early in the year, "IT'S POINTS NOT YARDS THAT WIN GAMES!!!!!"
Well, duh.
But a team without yards probably isn't going to score very many points consistently.
I think the coherence of our offensive coaches has a lot to do with it.
Last week was, what, our 2nd highest pure offensive output on the season? 1st being Northwestern (who is vastly inferior to a solid WKU).
Should be interesting to see what happens going forward. But I hope both keep playing.
People were going bananas over this early in the year, "IT'S POINTS NOT YARDS THAT WIN GAMES!!!!!"
Well, duh.
But a team without yards probably isn't going to score very many points consistently.
I think the coherence of our offensive coaches has a lot to do with it.
Last week was, what, our 2nd highest pure offensive output on the season? 1st being Northwestern (who is vastly inferior to a solid WKU).
Should be interesting to see what happens going forward. But I hope both keep playing.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:52 pm to deSandman
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Considering how few short passing TD's Lee has scored around the goal line, I don't think Lee has a lot to do with it.
how about passing TD's not around the goalline?
Or does that ruin your point of trying to demean his play?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:00 pm to CptBengal
quote:
how about passing TD's not around the goalline?
Or does that ruin your point of trying to demean his play?
One of the bigger factors not mentioned a lot of people is the talent level of our WRs right now. They have been wide arse open for most of the season.
So to me, the offensive improvement can be attributed to the following (in order):
1. New OC, QB coach and overall system
2. Very good running game
3. Uber talented WRs
4. Dominant D and STs.
5. QB play
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:00 pm to deSandman
quote:Late 2010 and all 2011 we're enjoying the era of the PA pass. Quite a novelty.
We're almost identical in rushing, passing, and total offense, except that our scoring offense is significantly better.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:02 pm to ScoopAndScore
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ne of the bigger factors not mentioned a lot of people is the talent level of our WRs right now. They have been wide arse open for most of the season.
phew good thing they throw the ball to themselves.
quote:
So to me, the offensive improvement can be attributed to the following (in order):
1. New OC, QB coach and overall system
2. Very good running game
3. Uber talented WRs
4. Dominant D and STs.
5. QB play
yet JJ WON the Ala game....
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:11 pm to CptBengal
quote:
how about passing TD's not around the goalline?
Or does that ruin your point of trying to demean his play?
It's not about demeaning his play. The passing yards per game hasn't improved.
Lee has deep TDs against WV, UK, UF, Aub.
Thats 4, or 16 points more than if those drives had been FGs.
LSU has gone from 29.69 points per game in 2010 to 36.50 points per game in 2011. I just don't see how those 4 passes caused our points per game to shoot up by a full TD per game.
STATS!
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:13 pm to deSandman
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LSU has gone from 29.69 points per game in 2010 to 36.50 points per game in 2011. I just don't see how those 4 passes caused our points per game to shoot up by a full TD per game.
so we only have 4 TD's from more than about ten yds out?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:28 pm to deSandman
quote:
LSU was 45th in scoring offense in 2010. Not good, but not awful.
This year we are 18th. Pretty big improvement.
But here's where it gets interesting.
Rushing offense-
2011 - 30th
2010 - 28th
Passing Offense
2011 - 99th
2010 - 107th
Total Offense
2011 - 79th
2010 - 86th
T/O's...we had like 24 last season and 6 so far this year.
All the ball handlers on offense this year are doing a GREAT job of protecting the ball.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:37 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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T/O's...we had like 24 last season
how many were TO's by JJ?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:42 pm to deSandman
quote:I think JJ has 2 or 3 long TD passes, and not all deep passes are TDs, but many lead to one eventually.
LSU has gone from 29.69 points per game in 2010 to 36.50 points per game in 2011. I just don't see how those 4 passes caused our points per game to shoot up by a full TD per game.
Might be part of the explanation.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:43 pm to CptBengal
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how many were TO's by JJ?
According to another poster here...19.
No doubt JJ had his share in 2010, but this season the team isplaying lights out in the T/O game...I'm knocking on wood as I type.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:45 pm to CptBengal
quote:
so we only have 4 TD's from more than about ten yds out?
Oregon was up close, NW St. was inside the 20, 2 of the three against WV were up close, State was inside the 20, all 3 against Tenn were inside the 20, Shep against Aub was inside the 20.
So yea, Lee has 4 passing TDs this season from outside the redzone.
Though 9 redzone passing TDs is more than I expected and could explain some of the difference....however, I'm fairly certain that there are a lot of Lee supporters who would swear he'd hit on more than 4 deep TD's this season...espeically considering that the one against UK was more on Beckham than Lee, and another was that 3rd and short play action against WV that caught them off guard and Beckham scored, good play but not really an example of a well thrown deep ball.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:49 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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According to another poster here...19.
well if they only had 24. Seems like him not playing this year would be the main reason for the decrease in turnovers.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:51 pm to deSandman
quote:
Though 9 redzone passing TDs is more than I expected and could explain some of the difference...
it does explain the difference.
quote:
, good play but not really an example of a well thrown deep ball.
sooooo you discount the redzone TD's...and the deep balls aren't his either.
It's a wonder we won any games with this kid starting.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:53 pm to CptBengal
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well if they only had 24. Seems like him not playing this year would be the main reason for the decrease in turnovers.
Wrong. Crowton leaving is the main reason. He made JJ turn the ball over.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 2:59 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:It's certainly a prime example of how stats can differ from reality. JJ may have had a slightly better rating in 09 than Flynn in 07, but anyone who says they would rather have had JJ at QB in 07 or this season, over Flynn, is completely fricking batshit crazy.
It's not that he was hurt. Over the whole season he was slightly above avg. hell JJ in 09 had a higher qb rating and it's supposedly common knowledge I here that JJ has sucked his entire career.
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