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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Wouldn't dropping back to pass (even if you eventually tuck and run) accomplish the same thing really in regard to "loosening up the defense"? Seems he throws it enough that a D just can't assume he will tuck and run.
Yeah, I could be talking out of my arse on this one; just a thought that I haven't had time to develop better.
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:16 pm to USMCTiger03
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Should fumbles recovered be ignored completely? Maybe if the player recovers the ball himself.
No I don't think so.
Fumbles are just tricky.
Lee had a "fumble" vs. Oregon. But there was clearly confusion on the snap/play.
It's disingenuous, IMO, to post "10 INTS and 9 FUMBLES!"
But you weren't really disagreeing with that.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:17 pm to RobbBobb
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Oh, on LSUSports theyre readily available.
Where are they? I tried looking the other day, but couldn't find fumbles listed...
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But like everything else surrounding JJ, Miles lies. He disguises JJ fumbles as TEAM fumbles
Oh Christ.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:18 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:19 pm to deSandman
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Wouldn't the running threat loosen up the defense more than throwing an incomplete pass?
It certainly hasn't the past two years. I think now that we see Ridley playing on Sundays for one of the best teams in the NFL we understand how he was able to gain the yardage he did last season against a stacked box every game.
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Also, while the yardage is the same, a run for no gain keeps the clock running while an incomplete pass doesn't, and while its just a guess, I think Miles prefers the former, especially in the second half
And how were we doing in TOP through the first 8 games with the majority of the snaps being taken by our QB that is no threat to run? Were we seeing all the three and outs we did in 2009 and 2010? Did our defense look tired to you at any point like they have in year's past (actually that isn't relevant, as we are playing more players that all appear in much better shape this year).
Facts>>>>>>>>>>>>>your slanted opinion
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:20 pm to TIGRLEE
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or one second take me out of JL fanboy mode and take yourself out of JJ or JL fan mode and become the casual random LSU football fan
Lulz for one second, suspend reality so you can read another Lee fanboy post by me with the disclaimer that I'm not being a fanboy?
That was pretty wretched, man.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:20 pm to Mayhawman
quote:True, but what about in instances where there was a receiver open who went unread because the tuck and run was premature?
1-3yds, occaisional 10-15yds is a more favorable result than inc or int in most coaches eyes.
The stats would record this as a x yard rush but the reality on the field is that it was a viable but missed opportunity for a xx yard pass. Thus, a positive stat result from a play that was, in reality, a poor performance.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:22 pm to TigerFan55555
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when have you ever said this about JJ....panicked???
From my experience, JJ doesn't "panic."
His issue, often, is not being urgent enough. Which is why we see issues with getting playcalls in quickly, and him holding the ball too long and taking sacks.
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how about the saftey?...wouldnt you say he panicked...be fair...
I've seen one clip of that play, and I've been crushed at work this week, and missed the 2nd half last week due to personal obligations. But I was under the impression that the issue lies with him holding the ball too long again. I wouldn't say that's "panic."
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:28 pm to AlxTgr
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As a huge Flynn fan, I can say he looked really bad in a few games.
Because he was hurt.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:30 pm to USMCTiger03
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Do you think that the fact that he only has 34 attempts, 14 against creampuff WKU, might skew the numbers?
I hope for the best, but I think there's still too little of a body of passing work from JJ this season to say for sure that he's where he needs to be. That's not his fault really (although his numbers against WKU could have been a lot better), he just hasn't had the opportunity
I agree.
His YPA numbers have been consistently pretty good (in 2009, than were better than Flynn's in 2007, Lee's in 2008), except for those first 6-7 games last year.
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One statistical thing about JJ that I suspect skews the stats is that he seems to have gotten into the habit of tucking and running rather than throwing an incomplete pass. In some cases he breaks out for a lot of yards, but often only picks up little yards.
To me, it seems he just doesn't have a natural "feel" for the passing game.
Which is wholly incapable of being quantified.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:32 pm to just me
It's weird because the party line is "Lee is a better passer" but the numbers don't support that.
Of course, people will just say, "Stats don't mean anything, I can see it with my own damn eyes!"
Of course, people will just say, "Stats don't mean anything, I can see it with my own damn eyes!"
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:43 pm to TIGRLEE
Tigerlee, Lee hasn't been the reason we are winning. He has thrown for 170 yards twice. He is not head and shoulders better than JJ. The stats support that. Also Les Miles knows more about this team than you ever will. If he feels JJ gives us the best chance, then JJ gives us the best chance. I THINK LEE SHOULD START, but that doesn't mean he is better than JJ. I think JJ should get the 4th series of the game. Everyone knows you would rather lose with Lee than win with JJ.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:46 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:Must've missed,
The stats would record this as a x yard rush but the reality on the field is that it was a viable but missed opportunity for a xx yard pass.
quote:but agree with the concept there could be hidden losses same as grandstanding a pass too early.
There's a fine line to walk between sticking with the route and bailing, but it has been tightroped ok so far.
Lee had a Breesesqe move avoiding a rusher recently. Sadly it's pretty evident neither of our QBs have had much footwork instruction from GC over the years.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:59 pm to OBUDan
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It's disingenuous, IMO, to post "10 INTS and 9 FUMBLES!"
And label all 19 as T/Os in oder to find a way to crap some more on another LSU player...go figure.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:02 pm to Commando
quote:Not many three and outs period. No matter which quarterback was playing.
Were we seeing all the three and outs we did in 2009 and 2010?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:05 pm to OBUDan
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Of course, people will just say, "Stats don't mean anything, I can see it with my own damn eyes!"
And my eyes must be broken because I've seen nothing to indicate that Lee is clealy a better passer than Jefferson. If anything, I would say their passing abilities are a wash.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:11 pm to ScoopAndScore
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I've seen nothing to indicate that Lee is clealy a better passer than Jefferson.
OMG...
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:21 pm to OBUDan
It's not that he was hurt. Over the whole season he was slightly above avg. hell JJ in 09 had a higher qb rating and it's supposedly common knowledge I here that JJ has sucked his entire career.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:26 pm to TigerFan55555
Look at their career numbers. JJ has a higher compl% higher yards per att less int and 1 less td. I know you wanna lick lee's taint but that doesn't mean he is a better passer than jj
Posted on 11/18/11 at 1:36 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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And label all 19 as T/Os in oder to find a way to crap some more on another LSU player...go figure.
Exactly. It's stupid.
eta: Notice he hasn't returned since being proven blatantly wrong. But if this thread goes 10-15 more pages, he'll probably pop up and post the stat again.
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