re: Realistic expectations!

Beware arbitrary endpoints. Using the 2-year lookback is just a convenient stick to beat Miles with, but it doesn't hold up to honest scrutiny seeing that Miles has a winning record if you chose a look-back period of ANY other length.

Additionaly, beware tricky language (ie - failed to be above 500, which insinuates a losing record when Miles is right at 500). I could more honestly say that, regardless of what period you use, Miles has a SEC record 500 or above over his entire career at LSU.

Using only a 2-year period just shows we had a crappy season in 2008.

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Can we agree that different expectations don't mean you are a "negatiger?"

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I don't know. Can we agree that different expectations don't mean you are "clown"?

Perhaps we should direct some of your "Can we agree" suggestions toward the ""negatiger" world as well or is that an unreasonable expectation?

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so every season carries the weight of the previous season's record??

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In a way, yes. For instance, Miles is riding the coattails of his first three years right now. If he's going to do that, then he carries the burden of the bad years he's had, too.

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Using only a 2-year period just shows we had a crappy season in 2008.

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It also shows we didn't bounce back from that very well, either.

But, more importantly, it shows the TREND of his performance. Mike Archer started out great, too, when he inherited an already-built powerhouse. But, if a coach isn't very good, he proves unable to maintain the level of excellence he inherited, and the program goes downhill, just like ours did under Archer and Miles.

As with Larry Coker, if you reverse the order of Miles' seasons, he would look a lot better right now.

Well I stay away from the Rant now, because if someone says something and you do not agree they start with the "negitiger" bullshite. Probably one of the biggest cop outs around there.

I think every one can agree 9-3 is not a bad year but the 2 year trend of being 8-8 in SEC and losing to rivals is not something they want to repeat. As I mentioned last night, that is very John Cooperish.

Who was not a bad coach, just look at his career record, yet he could not beat his rivals.

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c expectations! (Posted on 12/28/09 at 1:03 p.m. to RogerTheShrubber)
Well I stay away from the Rant now, because if someone says something and you do not agree they start with the "negitiger" bullshite. Probably one of the biggest cop outs around there.

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Yep, if you disagree with them, you are a negatiger.

No, using only a two year lookback doesn't show a trend. It shows, well, nothing really. Since LSU improved by 2 wins this season, how would the two year lookback account for this trend, which by the way, is moving up, not down? 5 being greater than 3 and all that.

I think there are valid anti-Miles arguments, but using selective endpoints to exclude data you don't like ain't one of them. To me, that's the sign of a liar who is using stats the way a drunk uses a lamppost, for support and not illumination.

That is unpersuasive to anyone who isn't already on your team. Use data to convince those on the fence by being honest about both pluses and minuses.

THAT is my bigest problem with this whole debate. It's either ALL good or ALL bad. That is obviously untrue. People bring up Larry Coker. OK, that's valid, but how about Dennis Erickson. He wasn't the "genius" Jimmy Johnson was but he won titles as well without the program rotting.

Actually, I think Miles' closest comp is Mack Brown, who also has a rep for not getting the most out of incredibly talented teams. Both are fantastic recruiters, have a reputation as good guys, and make mind numbingly awful decisions regarding game management sometimes (the only difference between Nebraska and Ole Miss is that Brown got a replay ref to bail him out and Les didn't).

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it shows the TREND of his performance

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yes, but you can't simply discount this year vs. last year. Two major factors led to 3-5 with 3 blowouts last year...the Malvetto hire and the QB situation without Perrilloux. Both of those were addressed. The defense improved, the QB inefficiencies were at least managed better, and the record is 5-3, with the 3 losses at least being competitive. Now, this certainly isn't where we want to be, but it does show that changes were made that has reversed the trend.

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Actually, I think Miles' closest comp is Mack Brown, who also has a rep for not getting the most out of incredibly talented teams. Both are fantastic recruiters, have a reputation as good guys, and make mind numbingly awful decisions regarding game management sometimes (the only difference between Nebraska and Ole Miss is that Brown got a replay ref to bail him out and Les didn't).

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Careful Baloo. I made this comparison a while back, and I still think it is a very valid comparison; however, I got lit up by the latest class of poster, the PosiMacks. "How dare you question Mack Brown, don't you know his record? How can you say that he doesn't get a lot out of talent? You aren't qualified to say that!" It's as if the Miles Minions are so blind in their allegiance to him, that since he and Mack share the common bond of botching up the clock, they felt the need to go to the wall for Mack as well.