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re: Realistic expectations!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:10 am to ForeLSU
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:10 am to ForeLSU
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I think the biggest gap right now with the range of fans is how they define "in position to" or "competing for". There is also a big difference in how different groups put this year, and previous years into context when looking at the future.
I agree. Some fans think LSU is positioned to be able to compete every year, others do not. Think this skews perception and expectations somewhat.
Which is why I stated there is a wide range of what is acceptable. Not attaching values to it, just stating the obvious.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:16 am to oneg8rh8r
no, we shouldn't expect alot out of the tigers except that we have been recruiting in the top 5 every other year. LSU needs to be playing at the top of their game next year. In two or three more years, LSU will have another championship. We have a good budget and a state to ourselves to recruit from, we should be a contender every year. we've just had the misfortune of having charlie mac, curly hallman, and gerry dinardo lowering our expectations. These guys
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:18 am to BamaScoop
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I don't think anybody thinks it can happen every year but it should be the goal of a cahmpionship program every year.
A goal yes, but not an expectation.
Any coach in the SEC would laugh any AD out of the room who gave him a contract to sign stating that an SEC title was a yearly expectation.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Historically, that is elite performance, and if the program produces that on a consistent basis, no one really has the right to bitch, even if there are down years in between.
It does not take long to decline. It is not that uncommon for teams to decline. Teams that have recently been successful can fall hard and fast. Bama is in great shape for a long run. LSU is not. This is because of coaching. The last 2 years for Bama were not a fluke. LSU could easily be a 7-9 win team (and 8-8 in SEC play over 2 years) every year with a bunch of coaches nationally. If this is what we want then we don't need to pay Les 3.7 mil a year for this production.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:27 am to peopleschamp
... I don't want to argue with peopleschamp - sorry about the deleted post.
This post was edited on 12/28/09 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:28 am to DrunkTigerBaiter
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In two or three more years, LSU will have another championship.
Have you watched Bama the last 2 years. A perfect record the last 2 regular seasons. What makes you think Les is capable of challenging Bama for a West Title? I am not even talking about a National Title. This is delusional to predict a National Championship. Les has struggled with Ole Miss and Florda as well. A National Title maybe in the future, but with Les vs Saban no way. Saban may have an off game, but Les will have 2 or 3 off games to Saban's 1 off game. The margin for error is so much smaller with a coach like Saban in the West. Les just can't compete consistently with that level of coaching. He has proved this for the last 2 years.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:32 am to peopleschamp
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The margin for error is so much smaller with a coach like Saban in the West. Les just can't compete consistently with that level of coaching. He has proved this for the last 2 years.
Will see what happens this year. Pretty much a wash trying to argue considering the different perspectives people have. I think all those have been addressed for next year however. Its all on Les
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:37 am to oneg8rh8r
[quote]Realistic expectations!
I love winning a BSC championship as much as any fanatic, BUT, for the retards who think it will happen on a yearly basis, GET REAL.
There are tons of premier teams who have not won a championship in a while; life goes on.
I understand that we pay big bucks, but so does everyone else who aspires greatness.
Hell, we won two in the last six yrs.
Are you really expecting to play in the championship game every yr?
There are tons of people who would die to have Saban back, and even the great Meyer and Saban aren't playing for it every yr. Saban has only played for it twice in.... yep, six yrs and Meyer is now broken because of the stress from the UF retards.
When did having great seasons and quality, respectable kids not become the desired outcome.
I'm sorry, but this post makes way too much sense. You're going to have to edit it to say,
1) LSU has more mondo talented 'beasts' than the combined rosters of the rest of college football.
2) at 51-14, LSU and especially it's coaching staff are grossly underperforming and obviously "in over their heads".
3) with two natchams in the last 7yrs LSU and it's fans have now reached a level of entitlement heretofore only seen exhibited by the fans at that catholic school up there in Indiana.
good post...happy new year. Geaux.
I love winning a BSC championship as much as any fanatic, BUT, for the retards who think it will happen on a yearly basis, GET REAL.
There are tons of premier teams who have not won a championship in a while; life goes on.
I understand that we pay big bucks, but so does everyone else who aspires greatness.
Hell, we won two in the last six yrs.
Are you really expecting to play in the championship game every yr?
There are tons of people who would die to have Saban back, and even the great Meyer and Saban aren't playing for it every yr. Saban has only played for it twice in.... yep, six yrs and Meyer is now broken because of the stress from the UF retards.
When did having great seasons and quality, respectable kids not become the desired outcome.
I'm sorry, but this post makes way too much sense. You're going to have to edit it to say,
1) LSU has more mondo talented 'beasts' than the combined rosters of the rest of college football.
2) at 51-14, LSU and especially it's coaching staff are grossly underperforming and obviously "in over their heads".
3) with two natchams in the last 7yrs LSU and it's fans have now reached a level of entitlement heretofore only seen exhibited by the fans at that catholic school up there in Indiana.
good post...happy new year. Geaux.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:38 am to peopleschamp
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Have you watched Bama the last 2 years. A perfect record the last 2 regular seasons.
again...ebb and flow. No doubt Saban will keep Bama competitive but he's had the luxury of the Auburn debacle with Franklin, LSU having no QB, Tenn being down and in transition, and not having to play FL during the regular season. LSU's strong years came with Bama and Florida being somewhat down.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:41 am to TIGRLEE
You said: LSU is among bottom of conference in penalties and to's.
Those two things are biggest traits of an undiscplined fb team.
LSU just wanst very fun to watch mainly b/c of a shitty offense
we were # 1 in penalties in 07... won the BCS title
UF was # 1 in penalties in 06... won the BCS title
Get a clue... Roll Tide!
Those two things are biggest traits of an undiscplined fb team.
LSU just wanst very fun to watch mainly b/c of a shitty offense
we were # 1 in penalties in 07... won the BCS title
UF was # 1 in penalties in 06... won the BCS title
Get a clue... Roll Tide!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:54 am to oneg8rh8r
My realistic expectation is a full return to the 90s. We're getting to witness the monumental event of the moving backwards of time.
I've hopped in the car with Bad Cat, Lonnie, CalTiger and the rest of the clowns to embrace the return of true LSU football. Just like Florida was the true Florida before the 90s, LSU was the true LSU before the 00s. Florida has accepted their elite status, LSU has decided to give it back. It's only right, as I read in history that Louisiana was actually built on an excuse.
Miles4life!
I've hopped in the car with Bad Cat, Lonnie, CalTiger and the rest of the clowns to embrace the return of true LSU football. Just like Florida was the true Florida before the 90s, LSU was the true LSU before the 00s. Florida has accepted their elite status, LSU has decided to give it back. It's only right, as I read in history that Louisiana was actually built on an excuse.
Miles4life!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
LSU was the true LSU before the 00s. Florida has accepted their elite status, LSU has decided to give it back. It's only right, as I read in history that Louisiana was actually built on an excuse.
Miles4life!
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My God, it never ends.
Do you people realize that UF and Bama have gone collectively 50-4 in the regular season the last two years, are 4 of our 8 losses, and three of those losses to UF and bama were nailbiters that turned on one single play?
So UF and Bama are having a little run, and we
may end up 10-3 and "only" number 8 if we beat Penn State.
This just in: Michigan, Notre Dame, aTm, Florida State, Miami, and not to mention Ole Miss, UGA, UT, etc., would kill to be in our shoes.
Miles4life!
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My God, it never ends.
Do you people realize that UF and Bama have gone collectively 50-4 in the regular season the last two years, are 4 of our 8 losses, and three of those losses to UF and bama were nailbiters that turned on one single play?
So UF and Bama are having a little run, and we
may end up 10-3 and "only" number 8 if we beat Penn State.
This just in: Michigan, Notre Dame, aTm, Florida State, Miami, and not to mention Ole Miss, UGA, UT, etc., would kill to be in our shoes.
This post was edited on 12/28/09 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What a retard. Oops I meant ranter. It here a difference or should that be a subject of a new topic. You can use yourself as an example.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:05 pm to BT4LSU
Why can't we do this?
We all have different expectations for the program every year. Some people look at it game by game, team by team others look at the state of the program and expect it to be in contention every year.
Fans have always had different expectations. Some of us don't care if the team can contend every season, others look at recruiting....coaches salary and believe the programs should be expected to contend every year.
Can we agree people have different expectations but are all fans? Can we agree that different expectations don't mean you are a "negatiger?"
Think we are all fans, or we wouldn't be here, wouldn't have passion and I know this will be a shock to some of you but the LSU fanbase isn't any different than any other.
Ask Ohio State fans about Cooper, ask Colorado fans about Hawkins. Two extremes, two different results and two divided fanbases. Right now UGA, USC among others are also struggling against each other with this wonder known as internet message boards that magnify the differences in opion
We all have different expectations for the program every year. Some people look at it game by game, team by team others look at the state of the program and expect it to be in contention every year.
Fans have always had different expectations. Some of us don't care if the team can contend every season, others look at recruiting....coaches salary and believe the programs should be expected to contend every year.
Can we agree people have different expectations but are all fans? Can we agree that different expectations don't mean you are a "negatiger?"
Think we are all fans, or we wouldn't be here, wouldn't have passion and I know this will be a shock to some of you but the LSU fanbase isn't any different than any other.
Ask Ohio State fans about Cooper, ask Colorado fans about Hawkins. Two extremes, two different results and two divided fanbases. Right now UGA, USC among others are also struggling against each other with this wonder known as internet message boards that magnify the differences in opion
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:06 pm to BT4LSU
quote:LSU never participated in the SECCG until 2001.
So UF and Bama are having a little run
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three of those losses to UF and bama were nailbiters that turned on one single play?
Miles4life! I'm with you brother!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:07 pm to oneg8rh8r
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Are you really expecting to play in the championship game every yr?
Yes, because there's obviously no middle ground between playing in the NC game every year and being a .500 SEC team. Since it's not realistic to win the NC every year, why not just go 0-12 in all the years we don't, right?
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:12 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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A goal yes, but not an expectation.
Any coach in the SEC would laugh any AD out of the room who gave him a contract to sign stating that an SEC title was a yearly expectation.
And any coach in the SEC would laugh his arse all the way to the bank if any AD told him he would pay him $3.7 million a year if he can go .500 in the SEC.
Nobody expects a championship every year. Reasonable people who are paying a top 5 or top 10 salary to a coach expect to be above .500 in their conference over a 2-year period.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:15 pm to drizztiger
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I've hopped in the car with Bad Cat, Lonnie, CalTiger and the rest of the clowns to embrace the return of true LSU football.
Nice job on the personal attacks!
So basically - "I disagree with you and think that the current coach should be given a chance to right the ship and probably will right the ship" translates to
"lsu in curley days is what I iz wantz - I luv me some7-5 foosball"
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:18 pm to LSU GrandDad
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we are going through a period of rebuilding certain key positions and i am willing to give miles and company the chance to rebuild
That's what this year was. After the disaster of 2008, he was given a chance to rebuild (a program that was already fully built when it was handed to him, by the way).
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if he doesn't do it, yes, i will be for making a change.
He didn't do it. How long does he get? Saban had Alabama undefeated in the regular season and playing for the SEC title in his second year. Miles has just completed his second year of this supposed "rebuilding" process, and we're nowhere close to that. Only a complete idiot would think we have a snowball's chance in hell of being anywhere close to that next year, the third year of this "rebuilding" period. How far along is Saban in the third year of his rebuilding project?
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i believe if miles wins another NC in the next coupla years, there will be little difference in the critisism.
That's bullshite. Nobody just wants to complain about Miles. We'd all much rather watch him win NCs and talk about how great he is. Coaches get the praise and criticism they deserve. If Miles weren't performing like an idiot, very few people would think he is one. Since he is, we do.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 12:22 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Nobody expects a championship every year. Reasonable people who are paying a top 5 or top 10 salary to a coach expect to be above .500 in their conference over a 2-year period.
Yes that is a reasonable request- but if I may add a sub-clause (with reference to our previous discussion).
If the above said coach bring us a National Title - should that alone be reason for him to be given a free pass for x number of years? Ala Gruden at Tampa Bay. In fact the MNC is a lower probability event than the superbowl.
ETA: I see that you had responded to another poster in the previous reply regarding not giving a third season - I think we have to disagree on that because I don't even consider the third year as an option and think it is a given.
This post was edited on 12/28/09 at 12:27 pm
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