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Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81442 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:40 pm to
bfniii made his mark around here by arguing that the LSU gameplan and playcalling vs Auburn in 2006 was perfect and we only lost because the refs are meanies.
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6196 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:43 pm to
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2006 (Jimbo & Searles' last year)

Total Offense: 11
Passing: 18
Rushing: 31
Sacks allowed: 24 (19)

2007

Total Offense: 26
Passing: 58
Rushing: 11
Sacks allowed: 66 (30)

2008

Total Offense: 55
Passing: 71
Rushing: 43
Sacks allowed: 45 (22)

2009

Total Offense: 108
Passing: 99
Rushing: 84
Sacks allowed: 107 (35)

definitely not giving crowton a pass (i want him gone) but could the fact that we had a first overall draft pick under center in 06 and a fifth year senior in 07 have a little something to do with the trend compared to what we've had since?
Posted by Reality Tiger
Member since Nov 2009
196 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:46 pm to
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as i said, if there isn't significant improvement next season, then i'm ok with letting crowton go. but i see the big picture. it's not just letting someone go. there has to be a viable replacement and those don't just grow on trees despite what college kids today think. the timing has to be right and that is something i trust miles with. regardless of what you think about crowton's stats this year, the offense was good enough to keep lsu in the elite of the sec. period.



Wait....wait...if there's not significant improvement next year, you're going to allow Miles to stay??? You're going to allow Miles to say, "hey, obviously another guy I hired is performing so poorly that I have to let him go. It's not me as a head coach, you understand, it's these morons I keep hiring as assistants."

Since you're willing to let go of Crowton next year, when we're ranked 118th (that's about what the trend predicts) -- you'll agree that some people could reasonably say, no he should go this year rather than taking the chance that he might not suddenly reverse that trend because we don't want to see LSU go 5-7 next year with a completely inept offense. That's fair, right?

The offense was good enough to what?

Dude, this team was much closer to being 6-6 than it was to winning one more game this year? You don't think we could have lost to Georgia, Arkansas or MSU???

This offense wasn't good enough for 9-3. We were lucky. Please understand that.

Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:50 pm to
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but could the fact that we had a first overall draft pick under center in 06 and a fifth year senior in 07 have a little something to do with the trend compared to what we've had since?


I'll say it again...

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Crowton has had to start a FR or SO for the majority of the season 6 times. 3x at BYU, 2x at LSU and 1x at La Tech. 2x the offenses were terrible (03, 09) 3x the offenses were average (02, 04, 08) and 1x the offense was great (97).

In the 7 years where Crowton has been able to start a JR or a SR the offenses have always been great. (95, 96, 98, 01, 05, 06, 07).


You can even say that his 1st year with the Bears he was able to start Shane Matthews and Jim Miller and they had the 3rd ranked passing offense. In his second year he was forced to start Cade Mcnown and the offense was bad.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:50 pm to
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You don't think we could have lost to Georgia, Arkansas or MSU???


but we didnt

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This offense wasn't good enough for 9-3.


but it did
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 1:29 pm to
Everyone know more than LSU coaches......
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:19 pm to
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there is a HUGE gap b/w florida and vandy or MSU
huge is relative. in terms of starters, the gap isn't nearly as big as rantards make it out to be. it narrows even more when you're talking about teams in the same 3rd of the conference.

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les, a coach with a shaky history in hiring coaches, hired him after this failure
again, there's probably some info you're not aware of. regardless of what you think about it and even if crowton doesn't work out at lsu, that doesn't mean the hire wasn't solid.

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that's why lloyd car led a revolution against miles last time, b/c he's so well-respected by UM?
the point still stands. from all indications, mich wants miles. wanted him in '07 too.

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where does a requirement of 0 mistakes get born out of discussing an offense ranked in the 100s (out of 120 teams)?
basically that you don't think the offense should ever have had any hiccups because of the "talent gap" pipe dream. do you honestly believe that's realistic? did meyer's offense take a hit this year without harvin?

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same arguments for 2008
if you can't tell the difference between '08 and '09, then you need to reevaluate your football knowledge

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it wasn't that great this year
better than you will ever give it credit

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or we just are mad that les fricked up another coaching hire
this doesn't respond to my point. and as i said, if the o improves, the criticisms of crowton will be falsified
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:23 pm to
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Where are the numbers?
first, what do you base the "talent gap" on? rivals and scout? the draft? football awards? those are all very subjective and often flawed. second, even if they were right, then explain how saban lost to utah. explain how meyer lost to ole miss last season. the talent gap should have prevented that.

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So far I have only seen opinions and rebuttals of opinions, no actual facts or numbers.
it's common sense. well, at least for some people.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:24 pm to
max, that response coming from you means my points are right on target
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:26 pm to
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bfniii made his mark around here by arguing that the LSU gameplan and playcalling vs Auburn in 2006 was perfect and we only lost because the refs are meanies.
i never said it was perfect. but it certainly didn't deserve the criticism rantards were giving it.

and seriously, if you don't think that was the worst officiated game of all time, then you've got some serious mental issues
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:27 pm to
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bfniii


Exactly you are using your opinion, you are dismissing rivals, scouts, or anything else and basing your "facts" on what you believe.



total fail
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81442 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:37 pm to
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i never said it was perfect. but it certainly didn't deserve the criticism rantards were giving it.


sitting on a 3 point lead running horrible running backs for 2 yards a pop when you have a first round QB and 3 top WRs was beyond horrible and classic Les Miles conservative garbage.

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nd seriously, if you don't think that was the worst officiated game of all time, then you've got some serious mental issues


and seriously, if you don't think that blaming all of Miles' shitty games on the refs is chickenshit than you are well you are bfniiii
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:40 pm to
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Maximus


Come on Max, I mean just look above he discusses the FACTS as he calls them but he really just means his opinion.

He can produce no facts about anything, he just type what he thinks and attempt to dismiss and deflect what anyone else thinks.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33267 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:44 pm to
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bfniii
= biggest LSU homer, Miles worshiper, program crusader on the internet today. Do you EVER have any constructive criticism of the program? Cause if you don't, this is why all your arguments fall flat.

You remind me of the big boobed, blond cheerleader on the sidelines yelling "two bits", when we are down by 24 points in the 4th quarter.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:50 pm to
LSUBEATLES is worse in my opinion
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33267 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:57 pm to
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the problem is that rantards don't understand you don't just shove someone out without A VERY GOOD REPLACEMENT. those people are often locked up in contracts

The goal is not to "shove him out", most reasonable people realize that Miles isn't going anywhere at least until next year. The goal is to light a fricking fire under his arse to do a better job than he has the last two year, to let him and the administration know in no uncertain terms that the fans are restless and unhappy and deserve and want better, and to fricking act like you care when you are out there coaching instead of appearing to be a disinterested, clueless observer on the sidelines.

This is one of the few forums that will allow for that kind of discourse and the LSU brass needs to hear it loud and clear.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33267 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:58 pm to
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LSUBEATLES is worse in my opinion
He's part of the circle jerk brigade with bfiniii, Lonnie, and Tator.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33267 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:05 pm to
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represents the university adequately.


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Have you ever heard the guy talk??? He makes Bush look like Obama.
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
8372 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:31 pm to
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and seriously, if you don't think that was the worst officiated game of all time, then you've got some serious mental issues


My God, you actually said something that I agree with. Of course, it followed a ridiculous backpedaling (a common theme you have) of your belief that the 2006 Auburn playcalling/game plan wasn't that bed. I guess it was OK when we were down 4 points with less than 20 seconds left, with no timeouts on the 18 yard line, to line up in a formation with a Fullback and Tight End on the field and WR Buster Davis (future 1st round draft pick) on the bench. Only you, Les, I mean Bfnii could think that's OK.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 12/16/09 at 4:34 pm to
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if there's not significant improvement next year, you're going to allow Miles to stay?
i was referring to crowton, not miles. sorry about the confusion

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This offense wasn't good enough for 9-3. We were lucky.
this is exactly the kind of unreasonable response i outlined in the op. we are 9-3 and luck is no more a factor than any of the others i listed
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