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re: Rank SEC football coaches
Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:31 am to Sammich
Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:31 am to Sammich
You obviously didn't see the UAB debacle & didn't go to Blacksburg or Athens when your "1a." coach was at LSU. Miles completed 5 seasons without losing to an OOC opponent in the regular season.
Saban popped your "NC Cherry", and that's all you will ever see. You & the the other cult of Sabanistas. Pity..
Saban had to change everything when he got to LSU. mindset,players,physical conditioning. With that being said, Miles got the program with everything in place. You cant compare the state of the program in 2000 to 2005. Lets say Saban was lucky and LSU made him not the other way around. (that is what I was hoping) Then he goes to Bama and does the exact samething only faster. Saban is the best coach in the country. IMO had miles gotten the job in 2000 he would have no where close to the record he has now.
Saban popped your "NC Cherry", and that's all you will ever see. You & the the other cult of Sabanistas. Pity..
Saban had to change everything when he got to LSU. mindset,players,physical conditioning. With that being said, Miles got the program with everything in place. You cant compare the state of the program in 2000 to 2005. Lets say Saban was lucky and LSU made him not the other way around. (that is what I was hoping) Then he goes to Bama and does the exact samething only faster. Saban is the best coach in the country. IMO had miles gotten the job in 2000 he would have no where close to the record he has now.
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Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:37 am to Rocket
quote:Yep, great to see Miles hiring good Assistant coaches.
Wilson was hired to replace Porter who got the head coaching position at his alma mater
quote:Well, it means he indeed will coordinate the passing game, meaning better communication between the QB & WR's. Or so they are "On the same page" all the time. Look at it this way, there will be 4 coaches now looking at the plays now with Miles, Gonzo, Frank & Gary. I think you will see big changes.
And Gonzales can be the greatest WR coach in the history of football but it doesn't matter all that much if the QB can't get the WR's the ball. And what the frick does a passing game coordinator actually do? It sounds like nothing more than a title. Because I doubt Miles and Crowton would agree to let Gonzales head up the passing game.
quote:good thing The Egg is not here huh? He'd be screaming "Racist!" & whining on the Help Board as usual. I'm working on the Starting Defense list.
By the way, Sandwich, you big-lipped fricker, give me a starting lineup on defense for 2010
Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:45 am to Sammich
Maybe Miles should pay the refs, so one day LSU can get an INT dusted off & handed back to us. And furthermore NOT getting a penalty called if one of LSU's players rips his helmet off & starts talking shite, with time on the clock.
All of that did happen, but you cant blame refs for loosing a game. There are too many other plays in the game to blame it on one or two calls. Dont get me wrong it sucks and I hate to see it, but you have to over come that BS.
All of that did happen, but you cant blame refs for loosing a game. There are too many other plays in the game to blame it on one or two calls. Dont get me wrong it sucks and I hate to see it, but you have to over come that BS.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:46 am to cj2002
quote:
Saban had to change everything when he got to LSU. mindset,players,physical conditioning. With that being said, Miles got the program with everything in place. You cant compare the state of the program in 2000 to 2005. Lets say Saban was lucky and LSU made him not the other way around. (that is what I was hoping) Then he goes to Bama and does the exact samething only faster. Saban is the best coach in the country. IMO had miles gotten the job in 2000 he would have no where close to the record he has now.
To state that Saban is a great coach is not only reasonable, it is quite close to being a proven fact.
What is illogical is to downplay the success of another coach and reach for tenuous arguments to attribute the entire program's success to Saban alone.
This argument would be most effective had Miles won the NC the first year ALA Coker. This was the third year when the program was firmly under Miles and I cannot discern what could have been the influence from Saban.
This is a stretch as an argument. Folks just find it very difficult to accept something when it goes against what they want to believe in -
In this case we had a couple of years after the NC that didn't go so well
AND
Saban came back to Bama!
Saban won at Bama!
Hence Miles must suck!
Did he have a couple of comparatively mediocre years - yes
Does that mean the first three years were just luck - No (yes - if you are bad at logic)
Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:50 am to Sammich
quote:
Well, it means he indeed will coordinate the passing game, meaning better communication between the QB & WR's. Or so they are "On the same page" all the time
Regardless of whether or not that title is anything more than a title, there's no reason our multi-million dollar coaching staff shouldn't have had everybody on the same page before Gonzales.
quote:
I think you will see big changes.
That's rich. I'll be on the lookout. Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:55 am to Rocket
quote:
Regardless of whether or not that title is anything more than a title, there's no reason our multi-million dollar coaching staff shouldn't have had everybody on the same page before Gonzales.
I think the school/coaching staff/media have to say something positive when they write about a new coach.
It is not as though they were unaware of the fact that everyone should be on the same page - for gods sakes they did win an NC and SEC title.
I don't think we should read more into it than we should into the "want" speak of Miles.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 6:11 am to CalTiger
To state that Saban is a great coach is not only reasonable, it is quite close to being a proven fact.
What is illogical is to downplay the success of another coach and reach for tenuous arguments to attribute the entire program's success to Saban alone.
This argument would be most effective had Miles won the NC the first year ALA Coker. This was the third year when the program was firmly under Miles and I cannot discern what could have been the influence from Saban.
This is a stretch as an argument. Folks just find it very difficult to accept something when it goes against what they want to believe in -
In this case we had a couple of years after the NC that didn't go so well
AND
Saban came back to Bama!
Saban won at Bama!
Hence Miles must suck!
Did he have a couple of comparatively mediocre years - yes
Does that mean the first three years were just luck - No (yes - if you are bad at logic)
Ill restate my point. A very average coach can take over from a great coach and have immediate success. He can run the program as setup, and let the players and coaches that are already in place keep doing what was done in the previous years.
What is illogical is to downplay the success of another coach and reach for tenuous arguments to attribute the entire program's success to Saban alone.
This argument would be most effective had Miles won the NC the first year ALA Coker. This was the third year when the program was firmly under Miles and I cannot discern what could have been the influence from Saban.
This is a stretch as an argument. Folks just find it very difficult to accept something when it goes against what they want to believe in -
In this case we had a couple of years after the NC that didn't go so well
AND
Saban came back to Bama!
Saban won at Bama!
Hence Miles must suck!
Did he have a couple of comparatively mediocre years - yes
Does that mean the first three years were just luck - No (yes - if you are bad at logic)
Ill restate my point. A very average coach can take over from a great coach and have immediate success. He can run the program as setup, and let the players and coaches that are already in place keep doing what was done in the previous years.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 6:38 am to cj2002
quote:
Ill restate my point. A very average coach can take over from a great coach and have immediate success. He can run the program as setup, and let the players and coaches that are already in place keep doing what was done in the previous years.
For 5 frickin' years going on 6 & win a National Champioship?? bullshite!
Posted on 2/7/10 at 6:40 am to Rocket
quote:
Regardless of whether or not that title is anything more than a title, there's no reason our multi-million dollar coaching staff shouldn't have had everybody on the same page before Gonzales.
Is it really about the money Rocky? Really?
Posted on 2/7/10 at 6:44 am to Sammich
quote:
Ill restate my point. A very average coach can take over from a great coach and have immediate success. He can run the program as setup, and let the players and coaches that are already in place keep doing what was done in the previous years.
quote:
Sammich
Too hard to handle the truth?
Sabans players are gone, and so is Miles after next year. Go follow him wherever he goes.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 6:57 am to cj2002
1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Miles
4. Nutt
5. Chizik
6. Richt
7. Johnson
8. Dooley
9. Mullen
11. Petrino
12. Phillips
2. Meyer
3. Miles
4. Nutt
5. Chizik
6. Richt
7. Johnson
8. Dooley
9. Mullen
11. Petrino
12. Phillips
Posted on 2/7/10 at 7:23 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
quote:
Too hard to handle the truth?
What truth? That you are Jack-Monkey Sabanista?
quote:Money Bet, BamaBoy. Name the price.
Sabans players are gone, and so is Miles after next year. Go follow him wherever he goes
ETA: One Caveat: Miles takes another high profile job.
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 7:34 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 7:35 am to cj2002
I agree that Les has his good moment and bad, but to put him at the ten spot is pure ignorance. I would say 3 or 4 as some others have said
Posted on 2/7/10 at 9:06 am to CalTiger
quote:Miles sucking has absolutey nothing to do with Saban. He does this quite well on his own. You are reaching here, doing the same thing that you blame others for doing, reaching to make a point to prove your argument. Saban is a great coach, his success set the table for Miles, and Miles ran with it. Now Miles is running out of steam.
Saban came back to Bama!
Saban won at Bama!
Hence Miles must suck!
This has nothing to do with Saban, it is a reflection of Miles own abilities. To allow a proud, dominant program to lose momentum is not an easy thing to do. All Miles had to do was continue to maintain the momentum, but a series of clusterfrick decisions and lack of attention to detail has now come home to roost.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:12 am to Sammich
quote:
Is it really about the money Rocky? Really?
Not totally but these favorable contracts these head coaches get are bullshite. Even if Miles takes this program into the gutter the way Gerry D. did, he's going to get paid handsomely, as long as he doesn't due anything real stupid. I mean, the guy has it made, win or lose.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 10:18 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
You are reaching here, doing the same thing that you blame others for doing, reaching to make a point to prove your argument.
I don't know if you didn't notice the last two lines or omitted it to make a more convincing point but I mentioned the following as well.
quote:
Saban came back to Bama!
Saban won at Bama!
Hence Miles must suck!
Did he have a couple of comparatively mediocre years - yes
Does that mean the first three years were just luck - No (yes - if you are bad at logic)
The point I was trying to make was this - Miles has shown that he can win and has done so and then we had 2008 with a mediocre record and then 2009 with a decent record but frustrating play.
Regardless of how you feel the seasons played out and what your subjective take on the matter is the record shows the following
10-1, 10-2, 10-2 and then a dump 7-5 and then a recovery to 9-3 in regular season play. This in no way equates to a coach who is on a downward trend especially since the last 9-3 goes up to buck the very nature of a trend.
Regardless of how good teams are or coaches are history will prevail and probability will make its mark. The question is how much can we halt the downswing. Given our growth and success in the past 10 years I think that we are lucky to get away with just one season of mediocrity (with record)and one of frustration(with playing).
If the coming season (2010) turns out to be an 8-4 or 7-5 I shall agree that we are indeed mired in quicksand.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 11:06 am to CalTiger
Good point......
How many of you out there really, really believe that if Miles had been hired in 2000 rather than Saban, he could have built us into what Saban built us into? There is no way in hell anyone could be stupid enough to believe Miles could have done that. He doesn't have it in him. He is too soft. Saban didn't take any crap. Saban wanted things a certain way and got them. He didn't just "have the want".
How many of you out there really, really believe that if Miles had been hired in 2000 rather than Saban, he could have built us into what Saban built us into? There is no way in hell anyone could be stupid enough to believe Miles could have done that. He doesn't have it in him. He is too soft. Saban didn't take any crap. Saban wanted things a certain way and got them. He didn't just "have the want".
Posted on 2/7/10 at 11:07 am to cj2002
I would do anything just to get a "nutt"
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:11 pm to cj2002
quote:
He is bad for LSU, I want him gone before he brings the program down anymore
quote:
cj2002
your bad for LSU, tiger fans kindly ask you to:
a- place plastic bag over head
b- breathe deeply
c- repeat b until oxygen supply has been eliminated
Posted on 2/7/10 at 3:14 pm to cj2002
Miles is a very good coach was at osu and here anyone that had the unrealalistic hopes that we were going to play in a national championship after he kicked parrileux off was in dreamland and not realalistic college an pro football are qb leagues now and u don't typically win it all in pros or college with a young qb now failures in the offensive line were unexpected and also didn't agree with alot of crowtons play calling at times looked Like he was trying to hard to get everyone in as opposed to keeping best in majority of the time but Les is a good coach say 3 or so in sec behind meyers and the devil himself will gladly take him over most anyone
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