I think the best would be if we could run a 4-2-5 with our talent. We’d be able to have 4 down lineman and with our lack of experience at LB not force the young guys to play early. This would also enable us to have Stingley- Todd Harris- Kary Vincent- Jacoby Stevens- and Elias Ricks(if he proves he’s ready) on the field at the same time. We’d be able to stop spread offenses and stop the run with our depth at D Line

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Posted by TigerFan55555

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Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:03 pm to Cold Drink

The advantages are clear.... versatility.... 3/4 is a run stopping defense, the nose (shelvin) always takes on two blockers. That’s why they weight 340-350. Now with the two on one it becomes a numbers game. Where it’s even or you have a slight edge based on your athleticism. Visa v pass rusher (chaisson, freak athlete; high paid guys) then you can play more coverages with more DBs (Stevens) or more LBs (divinity). Depending on down and distance. Or you can find guys that can do both called hybrids... that’s Stevens to play the lb/safety role in qtrs: basically a guy that’s physical enough to stop the run but fast enough to cover the slot, also a well paid nfl guy. It’s versatility is unmatched and it’s easier to make sure each gap is covered and the numbers are even... it’s why every NFL basically runs it. Usually the three most important guys are the nose, the pass rusher, and the qtrs guy... we had three good ones.

Odd front DEs are 290\300lbs because they are doing both. Holding blocks stuffing the run and vaguely get pressure. Lawrence and Logan were very good... this why Tyson Jackson went 4th overall. He could do both at 300lbs very well

The two middle lbs are big and fast 6’3 230/40 ish. Get downhill thumpers
Olb divinity is contain and run stopping 1/2nd down guy. 6’4 250ish guy

Pass rusher 6,4/6,5 240/250 and runs a 4.4 40. Freak. 3rd highest paid guy in nfl and hardest to find

Safety same

SS/hybrid lb is on field 80 percent of the time easily and sometimes takes place of olb. Divinity vs stevens

Corners same
Nickel/ slot cover guy oppo of Stevens or 3rd safety in 3/4 nickel

Got it?

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Posted by TigerFan55555

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Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:06 pm to brad8504

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In the era of the spread offense, a true 4-3 won't cut it. You're sacrificing speed for strength, and unless you're in the Big 10, you just don't see many teams running true pro-style (old school) offenses. Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc... Those schools run traditional offenses, but they've also added wrinkles to account for personnel.

With that said, a true 3-4 isn't run all that much either. You really need three ridiculously big down linemen to effectively fill the middle (both A gaps and both B gaps). Most of your Will or Same linebackers are hybrid SS types that can cover the flats in pass coverage and make tackles off the edges in space. The two Mike backers will clean up anything that gets to the line of scrimmage or beyond between the tackles (in theory), which means they are primarily "read and react" and they are excellent in pursuit.

Regardless, you've got the same personnel (once again, in theory) that are in the secondary. Ideally, you've got two lockdown corners, a ballhawk at free safety, and a rover type guy at SS that can do it all (LSU has had a number of really good SS dating back to the early 2000's), but the primary focus on the SS is run support and tackling.

The 3-4 is, nowadays, a far more effective defensive scheme than any true 4-man front, mainly because it allows you to replace one down lineman with another linebacker/hybrid type of player that can assist more effectively in pass coverage, but also possesses the ability to carry his weight in run support off the edges.

Bravo dude

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Posted by brad8504

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Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:06 pm to LSUOG18

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I think the best would be if we could run a 4-2-5 with our talent. We’d be able to have 4 down lineman and with our lack of experience at LB not force the young guys to play early. This would also enable us to have Stingley- Todd Harris- Kary Vincent- Jacoby Stevens- and Elias Ricks(if he proves he’s ready) on the field at the same time. We’d be able to stop spread offenses and stop the run with our depth at D Line

I'm a fan of the 4-2-5 because I also like a 4-man rush at all times. You can work an OL to death if you've got two athletic DE's, which LSU usually has no trouble finding. However, if you're base defense is a 3-4, you can run multiple variations of other formations like a 3-2-6, 3-3-5, and even a 4-2-5 or 4-3.

Hybrid players are the norm, and a 240-lb. DE with good speed and agility can help in disguising what you're doing in the front seven.

Not that you can't do that with a 4-2-5 or 4-3, but as you mentioned, the lack of depth at LB is a concern. The only way to alleviate any concerns is to get those guys on the field. If you leave a young, inexperienced MLB on an island in coverage or run support (in a 4-3 or worse yet, a 4-2-5), you don't know how he's going to respond. There's a lot of merit in surrounding young players with veterans. Get them in there and let them coach one another up on the field. Having another MLB (or ILB in a 3-4) is a plus.

It's the same principle as having a true freshman come in and play center or guard. He's got 4 other guys there to rally around him. They can't block his guy, but trust me, they all feed off one another.

This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 11:12 pm

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