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Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:38 pm to
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Sea Scout JL will never start for LSU again, not in the bowl not next year never.

He has no support among the fans or coaching staff.

I don't know who these people are no fans want him back And Miles has said JJ will play the whole game.

He threw 2 pick six against you thats why we were behind.

These people keep talking about JJ's throwing % in the pouring rain at Ark.

JL got his stats against ap nt and troy
against decent teams he was very bad.

40% and a pick six against Tulane.on a dry feild
at home and he cannot run.

33% v ole miss

The facts speak for themselves!


will you please answer my question from the previous thread.,,, i know you dont want to, b/c it takes away from your bahsing of JL.. i can repost it if you like.
Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:39 pm to
BT if JJ has a great bowl game will you admitt he's better?
Posted by HOUbengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2003
8123 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

You need to look around. Ill step back. Youre about to get smashed by his fans. His suppose his failures this year are why hell start next yr.


Im pretty sure JL got the nod as starter because Hatch got hurt and JJ just didnt have command of enough of the offense and was simply not as good in practice. Would starting JJ have translated into a better record? Thats difficult to say. I think our record would be the same.

But I support all of our QBs...especially because they are young and 'need' our support.

Go check out how horrible the first few years for Hall of Fame QBs like Terry Bradshaw and John Elway were...good thing they were making so much money that the teams had to stick with them for awhile.

Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:42 pm to
yes.

now please answer this question.

quote:

memphis, maybe you can answer since gotygers wont...why is it that people such as yourself constantsly bash JL (a fresh), for bad play however a defense that is filled with NUMEROUS UPPERCLASSMAN you dont say shite about.?? thats fricked up.
Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:46 pm to
Because the defense was coaching, not the players. The Defensive players proved themselves for the most part last year.

Posted by HOUbengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2003
8123 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:48 pm to
quote:

The Defensive players proved themselves for the most part last year.


Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:52 pm to
I am hopfull that we get a DC.

Why are you so fanaticaly supporting the JL.
after seeing JJ in action no INTs 2 touchdown passes ran well!

Garcia started and played much better, comparing NFL rookies to a starting colledge qb is not a good analogy.

Hodson started as a RS and did great.
This post was edited on 12/8/08 at 7:53 pm
Posted by irvine555
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
1206 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

Go check out how horrible the first few years for Hall of Fame QBs like Terry Bradshaw and John Elway were...good thing they were making so much money that the teams had to stick with them for awhile.


Dude you do realize you're trying to compare some QB's 1st year in the NFL to the 1st year of college QB's...........there's no comparison, it's 2 totally different situations.

I really have no clue how some of you can still think Lee is the future of this team, these same people must also believe that we're still ok with our Co-Def Coordinators.

Any person with any knowledge of the game could see that JJ outplayed JL in the short game and a half that he played.

JJ 1.5 games > JL all season

I really think it has something to do with race (and this is coming from a white guy). Anyone else ever notice that every time we get a black QB many on this board claim they shouldn't play cause they're not smart enough to learn the plays and understand the offense.

Negativity with JJ is the same thing we heard about JaMarcus.
This post was edited on 12/8/08 at 7:58 pm
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:58 pm to
I knew thats what you would probably say. Convientient, safe answer.


Since nobody else wants to answer, ill do it for yall.

Qb position is the easiest to knock. TO the common fan, its easy to look at JL, not know a whole lot about the situation hes in and see the ints and say hes sucks.
Hes one player not 11. Forget the fact that he is first yr player and most of those guys on Def are 2nd and above yr players.

JJ is sitting on the bench..he's tall and athletic looks like a qb, played well in HS, and most importantly hasnt screwed anything up yet.... so automatically he should be playing. Nobody for a second stops to think that hes gonna be thrown in to the same situation that JL was in. Some of you tards actully believe some magical spirit is gonna come over the rest of the Off and all our problems will instantly be solved.

HEs played 6 qrtrs. his last two were horrible, but that was coaching right? but according to you thats the diff between the Def and JL to start with. Funny how rules are diff for diff players. I think you and the rest of the JL haters fuking suck and truthfully dont know much about football at all.
This post was edited on 12/8/08 at 8:00 pm
Posted by Hideo Nomo
Put up both hands, drop one thumb
Member since Apr 2008
7457 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 7:59 pm to
quote:


Qb position is the easiest to knock.


Especially when he's historically bad at quarterbacking.
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 8:00 pm to
keep reading.
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 8:22 pm to
silencing the critics. what a wonderful thing.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16714 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 8:23 pm to
1200 of BT's 1315 post count is spent defending JL.
This post was edited on 12/8/08 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Hideo Nomo
Put up both hands, drop one thumb
Member since Apr 2008
7457 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 8:25 pm to
quote:

silencing the critics. what a wonderful thing.


I'm silenced because I was about to launch into the same argument we've been into in several threads.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60729 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 9:17 pm to
JJ may infact be the best, we dont know for a while.

If he does not correct his motion, he will have a very difficult time improving, much like JL needs to desperately improve his footwork, I see this as part of his inaccuracy issues.

If everyone here keeps pointing fingers at VERY young QBs, it is a relief to Crowton, who should be bringing these QBs along. They both have glaring deficits, if not improved a bit next year, then that speaks volumes.

They would both be further along if Fisher was still here, does this mean I want him back? No, but it is what it is.
Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
13239 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

Hey, do you guys support all of your qb's in this way... this is really sweet.


Maybe you Bammer fans will have an opportunity to find out for yourselves next year.

Posted by TigersInExile
OhioTiger
Member since Nov 2008
901 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 10:13 pm to
quote:

JJ may infact be the best, we dont know for a while.

One thing I do believe JJ has is that intangible. I know he only had limited command of Crowton's playbook and the second half didn't go so well for him, coupled with conservative play-calling (which may have largely been a result of limited plays that could be called for JJ) ... but JJ has that "it" factor, if you will. That thing you can't coach, you can't teach, it's just that special something.

You can't put your finger on it, you can't fully describe it, it's just that extra something some athletes come here with. Anyone who has ever watched RS sees that wow factor, too.

Maybe I'm wrong, always a possibility, but I think JJ has it, too. If everything progresses along smoothly and our QBs continue to work hard, coupled with the pair of QBs incoming, especially with RS, LSU's QB position should be looking up for the next few years. We have an excellent mix of spread QBs and pro style QBs.

As to JL, he made it through a horrible season. I hope he's gained experience from it and will settle in. With RS coming in next month and JJ getting the extra first team practice after finals and playing two and half full games, he should head into spring more than ready to compete for the starting job in 2009.

I hope the competition among LSU's QBs will make each of them better. Whichever of the QBs rises to the top in head-to-head competition will hopefully get the start next year.
Posted by 42DD
Eureka Springs, AR
Member since Nov 2008
22 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 10:33 pm to
Stats aside,I was really starting to worry about the poor kid. I read posts here about his self-imposed isolation and wondered if he was going to be the the next tragic story on the p.m. news. You never know what's going on in the mind of a kid far from home and with that kind of pressure on him week- to- week. Miles should be ashamed of heaping it all on his shoulders when he had a capable enough QB on the sideline. Does anyone have an update on JL, anyway?
Posted by TigersInExile
OhioTiger
Member since Nov 2008
901 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

Miles should be ashamed of heaping it all on his shoulders when he had a capable enough QB on the sideline.

I can't agree with that - we don't know what was going on in closed practices behinds the scenes. You are assuming JJ, who was to be redshirted if those complications hadn't dictated otherwise, wouldn't have found himself as a true freshman in a similar situation as JL against SEC defenses.

JJ has a long wind-up and was waiting for his receivers to break free before throwing the ball instead of anticipating the breaks. He was throwing a heartbeat or two too late. That will/should improve as he continues to work with Crowton. It's tough facing SEC defenses without any prior on the field experience. So we have no way of knowing how it would have gone had the situations been reversed and JJ been starting after Hatch went down instead of JL.

Hopefully, the worst of the inexperienced QB woes for LSU end with this season. The prospect of a good, hard-nosed DC who can both inspire and maximize LSU's defensive talent, coupled of course with solid game-planning and on-the-fly as needed mid-game adjustments, should help the offense out with field position, etc.

As to JL off the field, one would anticipate that if rumors about reclusive behavior are true, this would not go unnoticed or without being addressed by LSU's offensive coaching staff. I hope the young man rebounds and competes with Hatch, JJ and RS this spring, along with CD when he arrives on campus.

If all goes well for these young men in good, intense competition, this will be an excellent mix of pro style and athletic spread offense QBs, which should serve LSU well in the future. Only one will emerge as a starter, of course, but undoubtedly Crowton will game-plan in the #2 QB as well.
Posted by secscout
dallas
Member since Sep 2007
1308 posts
Posted on 12/8/08 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

Does anyone have an update on JL, anyway?


Yes. He posts here as BT.
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