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re: Pete Maravich - What Might Have Been
Posted on 7/28/22 at 7:12 pm to Damathe
Posted on 7/28/22 at 7:12 pm to Damathe
quote:
Smith was running the 4 corners in the 60's.
You need to read more closely.
I didn't say Smith didn't run the Four Corners in the '60s.
I said it didn't become popular until the early 1980s, which is when Carolina and lots of other teams started using it often to slow games down against better teams.
That's when college basketball changed its rules and instituted the shot clock, as well as the three-point line. (Both of which Dean Smith was in favor of, by the way).
When Maravich was playing, a few SEC teams tried to play a delay offense. That pretty much was Tennessee's basic offense under Ray Mears. Auburn and Georgia, as I recall, tried to slow the game down against LSU without a lot of success.
But look at Pete's field goal attempts in those Tennessee games. He was getting shots. They just weren't good shots, especially when he was double- and triple-teamed.
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Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:03 pm to PurpleExile
I’d say Dean Smith had better talent than 90% of the teams he played. He just had to show everyone how smart he was.
Only one man on earth could hold Michael Jordan under 20 pts a game….Dean Smith
Only one man on earth could hold Michael Jordan under 20 pts a game….Dean Smith
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:56 pm to Tiger1988
Dunk was a technical foul back then. Shot clock and 3 point shots would have greatly increased Pete’s point totals.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 9:07 am to PurpleExile
quote:Parse and gaslight somebody else. The 4 corners was used by undermanned teams country wide mostly since the 60's and before.
FWIW, Tennessee never played the Four Corners against LSU. That was a Dean Smith/North Carolina thing that didn't become popular until the early 1980s.
Smith gave the Stall/Slowdown a fancy name, used it more aggressively scoring wise, and had good players running it while playing against ACC foes.
Phil Ford got the most exposure for it at UNC in the mid 70's.
quote:UNC used the 4C to protect leads - not to slow the game against better teams. There weren't a lot of teams better than UNC then - and the ACC was known as a "Basketball" Conference.
I said it didn't become popular until the early 1980s, which is when Carolina and lots of other teams STARTED using it often to slow games down against better teams.
That's when college basketball changed its rules and instituted the shot clock, as well as the three-point line.
The offense was no more prevalent in the early 80's than it was at any point before.
The clock/3 ball came in mid 80s IIRC but those rules were just part of modernizing the game and weren't a direct result of the 4 Corners.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 2:23 pm to ElderTiger
I watched Pete play ever single game he played at LSU in the old Cow Barn. I had a student ID that got me into every game and I sat at half court every game.
The one thing that no one ever points out is that Pete played with a complete team of very average players. Because of that, teams did everything they possibly could to stop Pete. He played against triangle and two defenses and box and one defenses...every game. I am quite sure there isn't another player ever that could have gotten off enough shots to average 44 point per game. His creativity was one of a kind to manage to get off enough shots. Two other guard Rich Hickman and Jeff Tribbet, who were average players that averaged 21 and 19 points respectively...all because Pete got the ball on fast breaks, went to the middle and dished to them, a righty and lefty filling the outside lanes for easy layups after a dazzling pass by Pete. Pete could have scored himself on the fast breaks, but he chose not to, and he had a very high assist average as a result.
Pete was simply the best college player to every play, and except for a knee injury, I am quite sure he would have been in very rare company in the NBA.
I was very privileged to have known him, played golf with him, and watched him throughout his college career. He was simply one of a kind.
The one thing that no one ever points out is that Pete played with a complete team of very average players. Because of that, teams did everything they possibly could to stop Pete. He played against triangle and two defenses and box and one defenses...every game. I am quite sure there isn't another player ever that could have gotten off enough shots to average 44 point per game. His creativity was one of a kind to manage to get off enough shots. Two other guard Rich Hickman and Jeff Tribbet, who were average players that averaged 21 and 19 points respectively...all because Pete got the ball on fast breaks, went to the middle and dished to them, a righty and lefty filling the outside lanes for easy layups after a dazzling pass by Pete. Pete could have scored himself on the fast breaks, but he chose not to, and he had a very high assist average as a result.
Pete was simply the best college player to every play, and except for a knee injury, I am quite sure he would have been in very rare company in the NBA.
I was very privileged to have known him, played golf with him, and watched him throughout his college career. He was simply one of a kind.
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