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re: Miles spells out why Keiland hasn't played much

Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:18 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:18 am to
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Keiland has had good games and has helped us in his career but he is not the better back out of him and charles. KW was a *5 ,but he was a 5th year senior.


And we have a winner! Maybe Keiland was over rated. Maybe Charles and Hester were under rated. Either way, each back has contributed to LSU's success. The coaches decide to what extent that contribution will be, but I trust their decision making because I am not the one with $4M a year riding on my every move.
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:32 am to
No, Keiland went to Hargrave in lieu of his senior year of high school because he turned 19 before September 1st of his senior year. Therefore it was either sit out of sports for a year or play at a prep school. A lot of people who actually paid attention to the running game in 2006 were confused when Hester got the starting job, because I at least thought the Keiland Williams was a foregone conclusion in terms of who would be starting at running back. But alas we actually get to watch him score in goal line situations against Moo State in the opening game and shred VT's defense the next week, only to sit his arse down on the bench and prevent him from getting any further meaningful playing time until 2 seasons later when Scott breaks his collar bone.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:39 am to
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But alas we actually get to watch him score in goal line situations against Moo State in the opening game and shred VT's defense the next week, only to sit his arse down on the bench and prevent him from getting any further meaningful playing


So, you would trade the 2007 season for a season where KW would have gotten more touches? I am confused. Is LSU success or KW success more important to you?
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16811 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:39 am to
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but I trust their decision making because I am not the one with $4M a year riding on my every move.



yeah, thats why the offense is ranked 100+ in the nation. the coaches dont always make the best decision, thats why they get fired all the time.

how about Crowton trusted JL and Hatch last yr to play QB and wouldnt give JJ a lick of PT. JJ was hardly even getting reps in practice til Hatch got injured and didnt get PT til JL got injured.

Crowton is a poor evaluator of talent and thats all there is to it. Hes the same coach that recruited Hatch to come play at LSU. shite, I can watch Hatch throw a few balls and see that he has no business playing in the SEC.

Coaches dont always make the best decision. Thats why Miles fired the last Co-DC we had and our OC is on the verge of being out the door too.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 1:41 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298834 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:41 am to
Not sure Les keeps up with who is doing what to be honest.
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:47 am to
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So, you would trade the 2007 season for a season where KW would have gotten more touches? I am confused. Is LSU success or KW success more important to you?


Are you fricking retarded? Christ some people are truly helpless. Let me spell this out for you. If Keiland is doing well, the team is obviously doing well. To me it really makes no sense watching him revive our running game in 2006, which neither Scott nor Hester were called on to do only to see him sit in 2007. Watching him early in 2007 absolutely run all over VT, it made no sense watching him get hardly any playing time. Why the frick do you leave your hot hand sitting on the bench? It's a mindfrick watching him make brilliant plays on the field, only to be put back on the bench. Use your fricking head from time to time.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:55 am to
I understand that coaches are not flawless. But seriously, how on Earth can you sit at home on your computer and spew bullshite as though you know better than any of the coaches? There are at least three people that decide who will be the running back (Porter, Crowton, Miles), and their combined talent is better than mine. Once again, I trust their decision making.

Perhaps you need to stop assuming that big time college football operates the same way that your NCAA 2010 Xbox game does. Just because you have KW returning punts, kickoffs, playing SS and averaging 290 yds a game on your dynasty, doesn't mean that he gives LSU the best chance of winning in any of his years that he was here.

I think the entire Keiland debate is dumb. If anything, the fact that Hester and Scott played in front of him should be compliments to those players, not a knock on KW. He is probably a great back, but he came through LSU when there were two guys that were better than him. It is tough because everything I have read or heard about him points to him being a great guy, but he just got a bad timing break at LSU.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:00 am to
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What do you base his caliber on? His Rivals rating? His high school performance?


Perhaps the fact that he's averaged over 5ypc in EVERY season at LSU? He has proven year after year that he can bust big plays and change games. He was the best RB on the roster from 06-07 IMO (yes, better than Mr. 4 yards aka Hester). Charles was the best player last year, but this year, I think Keiland is the best RB on the roster again.

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Miles, Crowton, and Porter watch these RBs everyday. Their job is hinged on the team's production, so why do you think they would leave KW on the bench if he was so unstoppable? Exactly, they wouldn't.


These chumps have produced the 107th rated offense in the country this year with elite talent. I don't trust anything they fricking do. This is the same staff that chose to run like 6 consecutive passes this weekend when Keiland was ripping Tech a new a-hole, so take their decisions to the bank!

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The same people that bitch about Les and Crowton sticking with things that do not work are also adamant that KW get a mandatory amount of touches regardless of production. Amazing. The Rant at its finest.


Regardless of production?

5.6ypc
6.8ypc
5.0ypc
5.6ypc

Keiland's year by year results speak for themselves. Sure, he won't light the world on fire every game. For instance, against MSU, he had 9 carries for 20 yards. Charles had a poor performance as well, 6 carries for 15 yards.

The only other two games against BCS opponents where they have both gotten similar amounts of carries were Washington and Vandy.

Charles' numbers:

Wash: 12 attempts, 4.3ypc
Vandy: 13 attempts, 3.8ypc

Keiland's numbers:

Wash: 7 attempts, 7.3ypc
Vandy: 10 attempts, 7.2ypc

So, you tell me. Keiland has played well when given carries this year, last year, the year before that, and the year before that. But yeah, coaches know best! :fearthehat:
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:03 am to
I still think it's over the theatrics that took place signing day of 2006. Miles holds a grudge and only used KW in 2006 because we NEEDED a running game desperately.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:08 am to
OFWHAP thinks it is a grudge that holds back KW. If KW is truly the better back for LSU, then why hasn't he played. I am not trying to be facetious. I am open to your reasons as to why, since he has had quality production, has he not played?
Posted by CostaRicaTiger
Thailand
Member since Aug 2008
321 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 6:41 am to
It doesn't make sense. It has to be personal between Miles and KW. Remember the three-headed beast that was Hester, Scott and Williams? It didn't matter that Hester started because a rested Scott and a rested Williams wore out defenses behind that "Gifted'' offensive line. Why does Miles run Scott into the ground every game with a weaker offensive line? No touches for KW against Florida and I don't remember any against Alabama either. A true running back needs multiple carries to get into a rhythm, "work up a lather,'' as KW said in an interview after the game. The last couple of years, I'm sure Miles has planted in his ear that he'll never be the "Featured Back'' at LSU and that's why he hasn't been motivated in practice or the games. It's a beatdown thing between the coach and player. Perhaps, Miles is trying to motivate KW and wants to see a response in practice first. With the beatdown, that hasn't happened. Now that Miles has to use KW, how fast did Miles IMMEDIATELY throw Steven Ridley into the conversation? Miles was loyal to Hester and Scott to keep them both as a starter their senior year and give them multiple carries. Just watch how fast Miles turns on KW for Ridley. Miles was loyal to Hester and Scott, but not to KW. This is the proof there's a problem between them since KW is a senior and deserves much better. For KW though, at least his body hasn't taken the pounding of the SEC like Hester, Scott, Addai. KW should have a longer career as a pro if Miles will sign him off to participate in a combine after he leaves LSU (JOKE). Shame on Miles.
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:57 am to
Its how he ran in the past....Oh and for the poster who said he ran over VA Tech....He never ran over anybody until this La Tech game (he ran around them)...That is the problem...He hasn't been successful at hitting the line and creating his own hole....You can't run to the line and stop and expect to get more carries...You guys need to quit looking at his measurables (sub 4.4 spead and thick calves) and look at what he does in the games...If he does what he did against tech (create missed tackles, run through people) then he will get more carries...If he doesn't they will give the ball to ridley...It is that simple..
Posted by CostaRicaTiger
Thailand
Member since Aug 2008
321 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:07 am to
I was in the fourth row when he jumped over the Hokie DB and ran for the touchdown - CLASSIC.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16811 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:11 am to
LINK

see 30sec mark and 1:40 mark. now please STFU.

all throughout the game he is always lunging foward for the extra yard or two too.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 8:14 am
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
10077 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:18 am to
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I was in the fourth row when he jumped over the Hokie DB and ran for the touchdown - CLASSIC.


Classic it was. He jumped over one of our linemen though...

LINK- :26 Mark
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:20 am to
What are you watching there....All I see is him running to first contact and then falling over...every now and then he throws a pathetic shoulder (half assed)....If you are this ignorant, compare this video with similar video of charles scott (before this year) and Hester or Addia.....Easy to see why he hasn't gotten touches....I am amazed that you would post this as evidence that he has done something...He runs like a twinkle toes back in that footage....The guy is 225+ pounds and has sub 4.4. speed and that is all you can give me.....Now you STFU..
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:27 am to
All I know is in the first four games of the season, Williams rushed 36 times for 184 yards. Then, in games 5-9, he gets a total of 9 carries for 28 yards. Hard to make sense of that.
Posted by jwill37
The Chuck
Member since Jan 2007
1383 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:30 am to
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“The key is how bright you shine. He has plenty of time here to distinguish himself and distinguish his career. We look forward to his efforts. His efforts were very good Saturday night. He made some extra effort runs and pounded the line of scrimmage very well. I look forward to how he finishes his career.”


What? I walk away from everything this guy says thinking either his IQ is so high people just can't understand him, or simply that his words put together don't complete a thought or sentence.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:46 am to
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All I see is him running to first contact and then falling over...every now and then he throws a pathetic shoulder (half assed)....

He averaged 5 yards a pop the first four games of the season: with that kind of productivity he could dance around the field in a tutu for all I care.
Posted by bulmoss
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
303 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:49 am to
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All I see is him running to first contact and then falling over...every now and then he throws a pathetic shoulder (half assed)

For arguments sake, will Shepard be considered a failure because he's a slasher and may never move a pile?

Not all backs will be bruisers and run consistently between the tackles. Until La Tech, KW was never one to move a pile. To me, his style doesn't match what the LSU staff wants to see from its primary ball carrier. He still had something to offer and was used inconsistently (see quote below). Last year, he tippy-toed too much, but this year, that seems to have gone way down.

Could he be similar to Shaq on the Suns last year? Nash doesn't want to feed a plodding Shaq in the post all game, that's not their style. There were times to use Shaq and slow it down and feed him on the block, but it was a poor fit. It didn't make Shaq a horrible player (though not the Shaq of 2000), just in a spot that wasn't the best for him.
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All I know is in the first four games of the season, Williams rushed 36 times for 184 yards. Then, in games 5-9, he gets a total of 9 carries for 28 yards. Hard to make sense of that.
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