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re: LSU was snake-bitten last year.

Posted on 6/30/10 at 10:48 am to
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12728 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 10:48 am to
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Bottom line: The reason we have so many close games is because we are neither a well-prepared nor or well-disciplined team. It's simple: We usually have superior talent, but this hasn't translated to a superior team.
Questions: Can a coach produce a well-prepared and well-disciplined team in one season, and produce a not well-prepared and not well-disciplined team in another season? And if that is the case, do you consider the coach to have been a "bad coach" in one season and a "good coach" in the other? Or would you consider the quality of the coach to have been the same with differing results due to other factors (like a "good hitter" going 1-4 one day and 5-5 the next)?

Posted by PhiAlph279923
Metry Brah
Member since Jun 2010
1056 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:00 am to
The bad calls are always going to be there because we can't control the refs (because our school is not located in Bamer) but what we can control is the execution. At least last year we didn't have the defense looking around at each other with there hands up in the air as the ball is being snapped. There are going to be breaks in every game, the mark of a good team is capitalizing on those breaks and on the other teams mistake (Bama running that screen when both corners were off the field). It just seemed to me that we were one or two plays away from winning the games we lost.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:05 am to
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Questions: Can a coach produce a well-prepared and well-disciplined team in one season, and produce a not well-prepared and not well-disciplined team in another season? And if that is the case, do you consider the coach to have been a "bad coach" in one season and a "good coach" in the other? Or would you consider the quality of the coach to have been the same with differing results due to other factors (like a "good hitter" going 1-4 one day and 5-5 the next)?


This would be an excellent question for Nuts4LSU...considering he pegged Miles as the best coach in the SEC just 2 short years ago.
Posted by Brett425
West Monroe, La.
Member since Jun 2010
1758 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:23 am to
I am excited about this year..No one on her agrees with me but LSU could win it all this year
Posted by cggeaxtigers
Southeastern, North America
Member since Jan 2008
3264 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Questions: Can a coach produce a well-prepared and well-disciplined team in one season, and produce a not well-prepared and not well-disciplined team in another season? And if that is the case, do you consider the coach to have been a "bad coach" in one season and a "good coach" in the other? Or would you consider the quality of the coach to have been the same with differing results due to other factors (like a "good hitter" going 1-4 one day and 5-5 the next)?


I don't think LSU has been particularly well prepared for the last several years. I can think of 2 games in the last few years when I thought "Wow - we look great": Virginia Tech and Auburn last year.

IMO, Miles is a big game coach. That's why he was hired from OK St. (he beat Oklahoma). I think he's done well in the big games - even those we lost (bama, Fla). But it's not these losses I'm worried about in terms of the overall program. It's the Troy, La Tech, Ms State victories (barely) that cause concern.

When big time teams (with big time talent)take the field against mid-level teams, they should take care of business. We play down to our opponents. Always. This says a lot about our program.

Coach Miles is inspirational to his players - but you can't play an entire season on inspiration.

I give Miles the benefit of the doubt b/c of 2007. But we need to meet or exceed expectations this year. "Underachieving" is one of the most frustrating things in the world. We need to pick it up this year or take a different direction.
This post was edited on 6/30/10 at 11:33 am
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:31 am to
My reactions in brackets, FWIW:

quote:

LSU was snake-bitten last year.

Here's why I think LSU was snake-bitten...

PP interception against Bama...

[I agree. That was an indefensible call. However, even if we get the ball back on that turnover, we still would have had to march down the field and score against Bama's stout defense. That being said, the call was abominable.]

Onside kick against Ole Miss: PP's right toe could not have been out by more than 2".

[I presume you are referring to the "surprise" onside kick that we attempted. IMO, that was a very poor decision by the staff. It entirely reversed the momentum of the game at a key juncture. Moreover, whatever bad luck we suffered was more than offset by Miles' lunacy at the end of the game.]

Injuries to JJ, Charles Scott, and KW occurred at critical times in ball games. Nobody can tell me that there isn't a difference between your first string RB and your third string.

[I agree.]

Lafell continued to drop passes last year...

[I agree. To be fair, though, the passes intended for LaFell were often at his ankles or behind him due to the ineptitude of our QB's. Also, at some point, the coaching staff has to be held accountable for teaching proper technique and fostering mental focus amongst the players.]

Offensive PI against Florida. Yes, "Nuts" says we still would have lost that game 6-3, but I think your play-calling has to change if your down 3 as opposed to 10.

[I can't subscribe to the theory that Florida beat us as a result of a single marginal call. We were dominated on both lines that night. Offensively, we couldn't run the ball. Defensively, we could not stop their power running between the tackles. The deterioration of the lines over the last two seasons is the reason LSU is no longer performing at an elite level.]

Bad weather against Penn State. That field played right into the hands of Penn State. It negated our speed and quickness, and let Penn State use their size.

[Perhaps. However, our playcalling and execution were poor as well. The decision to run a slip screen across the middle of a muddy, slow field with no timeouts as the clock wound down in the fourth quarter was curious, at best.]

It just seemed like the other team, no matter who we were playing, had the right play called at exactly the right time(See Patrick Peterson against Bama).

[I don't think this is a matter of misfortune. Rather, I think our schemes are relatively simplistic and transparent, making it easy for opposing coaches to exploit them at critical moments.]




Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4237 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:39 am to
quote:

I am excited about this year..No one on her agrees with me but LSU could win it all this year


I would agree with this except:

A. Quarterback play is below average. It takes above average to "win it all".

B. Coaching performance has been below average.

Otherwise, I see know reason to believe that LSU could go undefeated. There is enough talent but talent alone is not good enough.

Bottom line....another nail biting year with near misses and gut wrenching losses.
Posted by Tyger1919
Pineville
Member since Sep 2009
1020 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:43 am to
The only problem i have with miles is he is like one of the fans, hes excited and pumped for the big games and the games we as fans are not to pumped about neither is he and it shows on the field thats why we can beat every team on the schedule and we could lose to every team on the schedule
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2814 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:49 am to
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think our schemes are relatively simplistic and transparent


Our QB's disagree with this statement
Posted by jtiga222
mandeville
Member since Jul 2005
732 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:50 am to
watch out realists or anyone who was awake last season if your head is not in the clouds with dreams of purple & gold gumdrops you are a negatiger. Its nice that in order to make themselves feel better the hope and dreamers have developed a word to call anyone who does not share their views.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:53 am to
quote:

I don't think LSU has been particularly well prepared for the last several years. I can think of 2 games in the last few years when I thought "Wow - we look great": Virginia Tech and Auburn last year.


Miami? Notre Dame? Ohio State?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216135 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 11:59 am to
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Miami? Notre Dame? Ohio State



And he had over a month to prepare for those games.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:00 pm to
LM is only as good as his coordinators. If they're mediocre/poor, he really isn't able to bring much to make up for it.
This post was edited on 6/30/10 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12361 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:04 pm to
good recruiter
decent hiring of coordinators

sucks as a gameday manager
sucks at organizing his team

Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:08 pm to
Remember 2007? It finally caught up with us. I think we're even now though and back on a level playing field.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

And he had over a month to prepare for those games.


So did Miami, Notre Dame, and Ohio State.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:12 pm to
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sucks as a gameday manager
sucks at organizing his team


it's amazing how he's managed to win so many games.
Posted by ATL Tiger 3
Atlanta, GA (Buford GA)
Member since Aug 2007
247 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:12 pm to
i like your optimism, but the fact remains that frank incompentence remains in a (head)coaching capacity. I'm fearful this will persist to result in inadequecies of clock mmgt, critical juncture decision making, 2nd half adjustments, play calling, and overall tactition/strategery judgement.. Fortunately, our depth of athleticism will continue keep most games interesting, despite the mounting frustration resultant from the inability to maximize the true potential of our athletes..

That beings said, i truly hope you are right and i am wrong!
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:13 pm to
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It just seemed to me that we were one or two plays away from winning the games we lost.


and its the same way for games we won. Florida absolutely dominated us, and we actually needed an onside kick to get back in the Ole Miss game

We were very luck against MSU and Georgia. Miles' frick up at the end of the 1st half against UGA could have cost us the game.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:16 pm to
We had a lead in every single game of the year (except Florida). That's a fact that is almost always overlooked.

We lead Penn St with a minute to go, lead Alabama in the 4th, etc. The team just couldn't finish and the ball just didn't bounce our way last season.
This post was edited on 6/30/10 at 12:19 pm
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