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Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:02 pm to CajunFootball
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It's not being a future-teller it's making educated opinions based off of similar circumstances. You calling for him to be kicked off the team is based on hearsay at best.
If ( I've used this word 34546532 times by now) the video does contain what hearsay says it does, he should be gone. Hearsay from news source and DA's office is better than anything the Rant has.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:03 pm to aaronb023
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pj..you got a thing for whitney vann?
SURE........... You outta see her NEKKED...............
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:04 pm to blkhawktiger
Just caint see Miles releasing Jhill for this. More would have to come out for Miles to let that happen.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:05 pm to LSU Groupee
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When you insult a man with the intent to in-rage him, you get what you get and as long it's with a fist, the guy got what he deserved.
Hate to be the one to break this life lesson on ya, but the law disagrees with you. Just because you think something is justified does NOT mean the law does. Get your head out of your arse.
Favorite time of the year: when ranters think their personal right and wrongs equal the law
This post was edited on 4/30/13 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:08 pm to LSU Groupee
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When you insult a man with the intent to in-rage him, you get what you get and as long it's with a fist, the guy got what he deserved.
there is too much stupid in this post to adequately insult you...and you probably wouldn't get it anyway
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:10 pm to blkhawktiger
It's one thing to condemn his acts after the fact, and another to put yourself in his shoes. Was it wrong, if he really did it? Absolutely. But the point is this...
I may be off on my criminal law, so feel free to correct me. This is a bit of a stretch of an analogy, but in the law, murder charges sometimes get reduced for "heat of passion", recognizing that there's a difference between murdering someone in cold blood and killing someone you just caught raping your daughter. It's the law's way of compensating for the frail nature of the human condition. If an event happens that would cause a reasonable person in a like situation to get their blood boiling, and there's not enough time for them to "cool down" or reflect, courts can consider this when determining criminal culpability.
I believe at the moment he was just arrested for simple battery, which is a misdemeanor and probably won't be considered enough to break probation...otherwise Hill drinking a beer could theoretically send him to jail. Anyway, to upgrade this to a criminal charge, like a higher degree of battery, the defendant must have actus reus (a guilty act) and mens rea (guilty mind, intent, culpability, etc.). And Hill's lawyer is likely to argue that the combination of Baldridge dropping the N-bomb and supposedly trying to instigate a fight (if true), could be enough to say it reasonably got Hill's blood boiling, and made him act without thinking, refuting the mens rea element and, thus, liability for anything higher than simple battery...theoretically... but the point is there's more to the analysis of how this goes down than just the video.
Obviously, if the video is impeccably clear, and it gets corroborated by multiple credible witnesses, and they can't prove some of the above stuff, then that may be all she wrote for Hill. But it should become a lot clearer by the time it goes to trial, if ever. For what it's worth, I'm not trying to defend him, but some of you seem to think the video is the only piece of evidence that matters in this situation, and it's not.
I may be off on my criminal law, so feel free to correct me. This is a bit of a stretch of an analogy, but in the law, murder charges sometimes get reduced for "heat of passion", recognizing that there's a difference between murdering someone in cold blood and killing someone you just caught raping your daughter. It's the law's way of compensating for the frail nature of the human condition. If an event happens that would cause a reasonable person in a like situation to get their blood boiling, and there's not enough time for them to "cool down" or reflect, courts can consider this when determining criminal culpability.
I believe at the moment he was just arrested for simple battery, which is a misdemeanor and probably won't be considered enough to break probation...otherwise Hill drinking a beer could theoretically send him to jail. Anyway, to upgrade this to a criminal charge, like a higher degree of battery, the defendant must have actus reus (a guilty act) and mens rea (guilty mind, intent, culpability, etc.). And Hill's lawyer is likely to argue that the combination of Baldridge dropping the N-bomb and supposedly trying to instigate a fight (if true), could be enough to say it reasonably got Hill's blood boiling, and made him act without thinking, refuting the mens rea element and, thus, liability for anything higher than simple battery...theoretically... but the point is there's more to the analysis of how this goes down than just the video.
Obviously, if the video is impeccably clear, and it gets corroborated by multiple credible witnesses, and they can't prove some of the above stuff, then that may be all she wrote for Hill. But it should become a lot clearer by the time it goes to trial, if ever. For what it's worth, I'm not trying to defend him, but some of you seem to think the video is the only piece of evidence that matters in this situation, and it's not.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:11 pm to CptBengal
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there is too much stupid in this post to adequately insult you...and you probably wouldn't get it anyway
Thank you
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:13 pm to TheShwenz
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"heat of passion", recognizing that there's a difference between murdering someone in cold blood and killing someone you just caught raping your daughter.
using the n-word doesnt really get you anywhere close to "someone raping your daughter" champ.
so sorry.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:14 pm to CptBengal
Way to recognize an analogy.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:15 pm to TheShwenz
Think your analogy is quite the stretch but I get what you are saying. Still doesnt look good if video is true to rumors. It's not all that matters, you're right. But it's gonna be damn important and the centerpiece of the DA's decision.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:17 pm to CptBengal
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using the n-word doesnt really get you anywhere close to "someone raping your daughter" champ.
I agree with this
As much I want Hill's ability on the field, especially given this years schedule, we're not gonna have him IF this shite is accurate.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:18 pm to blkhawktiger
Oh yeah, I just used the murder hypo to clearly demonstrate "heat of passion"/"Blood boiling" doctrine and how it is applied to similar criminal acts that require mens rea... The video will be damning, but there's an opening to argue out of it. And I have a feeling he has a really good lawyer.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:20 pm to TheShwenz
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The video will be damning, but there's an opening to argue out of it.
And what would that be???????
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And I have a feeling he has a really good lawyer.
The family does NOT have that much money.........
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:22 pm to dukke v
I explained it on the last page.
And I wouldn't doubt there is some LSU fan lawyers who wouldn't mind getting in their pro bono hours
And I wouldn't doubt there is some LSU fan lawyers who wouldn't mind getting in their pro bono hours
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:22 pm to CptBengal
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using the n-word doesnt really get you anywhere close to "someone raping your daughter" champ.
If you are not black, it is difficult (at least in my eyes) to come up with a decision either way on that. I'd actually be interested to see what a judge would do when given the argument that use of the n-word twice was enough to instigate a fight. Unless of course this has been brought up in a court case that I don't know about, which is entirely possible.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:23 pm to TheShwenz
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Way to recognize an analogy.
if two things are "analogous" then they are equal in some regard.
your post was absurd.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:24 pm to cupchu1
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If you are not black, it is difficult (at least in my eyes)
well the eyes of the law are pretty blind. It DOESNT MATTER.
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I'd actually be interested to see what a judge would do when given the argument that use of the n-word twice was enough to instigate a fight
you dont have to wait, there have been cases argued on this...and they lost.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:25 pm to dukke v
I used to play both sides of this. Used to want a player kicked off for being a thug and used to want to keep the guy because I believed he was a decent kid or that he was enraged. Now, I really don't care. It's a football team. If Les wants 85 thugs, so be it as long as they win. I couldn't care less about Hill unless he's scoring touchdowns for LSU (unless he gets picked by the Saints). Either way, besides scoring TDs for my favorite team, he has zero impact on my life. Let him get his punishment Friday and suit up on Saturday.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 5:26 pm to TheShwenz
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And I wouldn't doubt there is some LSU fan lawyers who wouldn't mind getting in their pro bono hours
Its a shame................. What the guy did was wrong. Plain and simple........... He IS a RB at LSU. Say what you want but he is held to a higher standard, and I blame Miles to make sure his players know this...............
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