re: "LSU coaches met with NCAA last week regarding Lyles" - per WBRZ

Think about it this way... LSU has recieved much much more than UO and paid $6k instead of $25k. I ma starting to think that only head that is going to roll is UO unless the PP allegations can get substantiated...

It has been documented that Lyles and PP has had contact in the past. Unless the NCAA can get the smoking gun on this there is not much ti worry about. UO is probably screwed though..

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Point is, 6k was paid to Lyles for material that was available for free & is still collected for free by colleges

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Thats not the point anyone but you is making. The REAL point is LSU the paid "going rate" for goods and services that they could prove they actually received... something tangible you could actually feel... like videos.

And as for "material that was available for free..." You need to try and listen to Fridays Further Review with Matt Moscona show. I think it's in the audio vault. This will clear up this MYTH you bring up.

The guy on the radio Moscona was interviewing said you could email 100 coaches and you'd be lucky if you got 4 responses within 2 weeks. The3 only video you can get from coaches... if possible... are questionable quality, incomplete, and will not be delivered in a timely manner if at all.

The interviewee also explains how it's impossible for the big schools to compile their own video due to the restrictions on Coaches. Not only are you limited to how many coaches you can have, but each one is limited on visits. Not to mention you can't really have all your coaches out compiling video... who will be left to actually coach???? The Rantards?

The fact is schools can not do it themselves if they want to stay competitive. And why wouldn't you do it if it is allowed, which it is... as long as you dot your T's and cross your I's

No offense intended, but I don't think you have a firm grasp of how this works.

Anyone who has an opinion on the matter really needs to listen to Fridays show.

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LOL, and you know this how ? Have you seen the dvd and do you know how many hours these type dvd's save OUR coaching staff? You are totally wrong on this. Money well spent.

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I think your sarcastic meter is broken. At least I hope he was being sarcastic.

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My sarcastic meter must be broken cause I thought he was pretty serious too.

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If that's true, then I'd love to hear his reasoning.

Grammar police fail

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The point is 6k to Lyles is nothing. And saved well more than 6k worth of man hours that the coaches can actually use on the LSU players.

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Eh, I am not going to go that far, and suspect the Lyles arrangement was probably more than just sharing crappy recruiting information but don't think it's anything against the rules. I imagine most schools use these "scouting services." On the surface it appears LSU did make sure all documentation was there and there is nothing in the documentation that violates rules.

I imagine Lyles association with certain players is more important than his ability to provide top notch scouting materials though.

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In total, the LSU football program paid $103,896.57 for 14 different services in 2009-10, “each of which must fill out and sign a form designed by our compliance office in order to do business with us,” Vincent said.

To put it in perspective, the $103,896.57 sum spent on third-party scouting services in 2009-10 is one-third the salary of LSU recruiting coordinator Frank Wilson. For that, the program gets access to 14 national databases, which provide much more detailed and organized information than one assistant, a beat up Honda Civic, and an infinite supply of 5 Hour Energy could hope to compose in a lifetime of Excel spreadsheets.

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All Up In The Recruit Mix

Props to Stewie Griffin for the link.

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I think what most people are missing is that they did NOT pay 6k for 1 little crappy 2 minute youtube or rivals clip of a single player

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I highly doubt people like Lyles are "discovering" talent for LSU. That said, it is a service but I highly doubt these people are purely used across the board for scouting purposes. I think you would be naive to believe that.

Not saying LSU did anything wrong, but did associate with a fairly slimy person.

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No they (Lyles et.al.) are NOT discovering talent for big time college programs. They are compiling info and videos on players the schools already have interest in.

We got videos on Metts Junior College, as well as some schools in California. The interviewee on Moscona's show said there was a couple WRs and a LB we were looking hard at out on the left coast. I think everyone realizes Lyles is not finding these guys... just filming the hell out of them so LSU doesn't have to spend their own coaches limited time and resources.

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I don't know who's film Lyles is using. Or any of these third party guys.

My guess is the scrutiny will definitely change the way schools use these "third party sites." Too much room for corruption.