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re: Letter from AD Joe Alleva about booing the team...
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:39 pm to DollaChoppa
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:39 pm to DollaChoppa
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Because everyone knows we won't keep winning like this. Trying to prevent something before it happens is many times a better idea than waiting for everything around you to be in ruin.
So we'll drive our program off of the bridge because that's what the fanbase expects, even if it hasn't happened?
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Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:39 pm to Elleshoe
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I heard he wrote a letter to Jefferson that he needs to shorten his delivery and trust what he sees.
JJ couldnt see the whole field with a seeing eye dog.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:40 pm to Tiger Authority
I don't believe I ever suggested that.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:40 pm to DollaChoppa
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But you killed your own argument by talking about how awesome our recruiting classes have been.
They have been. The waning support is based on this year, not the previous two. People had high hopes before this season.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:40 pm to DollaChoppa
quote:Is that agreement or a grasp at straws?
Kinda
Should I edit my post to say: "It is pointless to ask for change if you don't know what change you want."
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:40 pm to DollaChoppa
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I don't believe I ever suggested that.
You said we should be proactive instead of reactionary unless I misunderstood.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:42 pm to just me
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Should I edit my post to say: "It is pointless to ask for change if you don't know what change you want."
If you want me to disagree with you. Regardless, it is too hypothetical to actually have a discussion about it.
To simplify it, you can just say everyone wants the LSU offense to improve by whichever means necessary.
Then you can say people disagree with what they want to improve. But then its an endless cycle of nitpickiness that goes down to peoples expectations of what should and shouldn't be desired of the team.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:42 pm to Tiger Authority
Well you took it to extremes. I never suggested we intentionally ruin the program before waiting for it to be ruined.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:46 pm to DollaChoppa
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Well you took it to extremes. I never suggested we intentionally ruin the program before waiting for it to be ruined.
And my reaction is that we play a minimal role, but a role nonetheless. And I think when recruits come and see fanbase so discouraged with the state of the program that they start to boo the program (no matter who it's intended towards) that does nothing but hurt us as far as remaining talented. Basically, talent is what we have and at times, is the only reason we win.
So I would hate to begin losing that, and still have to find another coach that comes here with nothing to work with.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:46 pm to NoMercy
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Recruits don't watch our games against Ulala and think "man, that's a nine win team right there and I want to go there." They watch the 230 CBS games and form their opinion that way. Watching Ole Miss drill us at home last year didn't stop recruits from coming.
They do still take offical and unofficial visits during those games. 2008 is a year where you can pretty much write it off cause the recruits were looking at the 2007 NC with eyes wide open. Last year we still went 5-3 in SEC play. Not where I want to be, but no where near scaring recruits. You have not seen losing yet this decade bud. But if we don't even compete with Bama (which they had to beat us to get the west the last two years before we went south afterwards) for several years and start falling behind the Ark, OM, and Aub which is all possible this year it can get bad.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:49 pm to NoMercy
We've lost to Ole Miss the last two years.
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:49 pm to Tiger Authority
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I would hate to begin losing that, and still have to find another coach that comes here with nothing to work with.
Which is why the sooner a change is made, the better. Theoretically IMO of course. So if the booing forces a change right now....we should be fine. However if it takes 5 years of booing and the ruin of the program, then yes you are right, it is useless.
However if the program would have declined from losing anyway, it really doesn't matter, which is what I have been reflecting upon.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:50 pm to NoMercy
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And my reaction is that we play a minimal role, but a role nonetheless. And I think when recruits come and see fanbase so discouraged with the state of the program that they start to boo the program (no matter who it's intended towards) that does nothing but hurt us as far as remaining talented. Basically, talent is what we have and at times, is the only reason we win.
You will always have something to work with a LSU. Not always the talent we have now but more than a lot of places. It is being LSU in LA. You don't think Saban tok the job in 2000 with the cupboard dry do you?
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:51 pm to DollaChoppa
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Which is why the sooner a change is made, the better. Theoretically IMO of course. So if the booing forces a change right now....we should be fine. However if it takes 5 years of booing and the ruin of the program, then yes you are right, it is useless.
However if the program would have declined from losing anyway, it really doesn't matter, which is what I have been reflecting upon.
And it's completely irrational to believe that we can actually afford to make a change this year, no matter how bad we are. I think you're failing to be realistic in regards to our ability to actually fire him and have money to hire someone else. We're not dealing with a couple of bucks to send him on his way.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:51 pm to DollaChoppa
I think this letter from the AD is spot on. Home team fans who boo the home team are just f-ing retarded. I feel really sorry for these people, that kind of stupidity must be hard to live with.
Quite possibly the worst joke I have ever heard, Happy Birthday To Me
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"JJ couldn't see the whole field with a seeing eye dog"...ottothewise
Quite possibly the worst joke I have ever heard, Happy Birthday To Me
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:52 pm to Tiger Authority
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we have been mediocre the last two years. Hasn't hurt us.
That's cause 13-3 in the regular season in our last 16 ball games, national ranking of 17 and 10, and a News Day Capital One bowl invite only equates to "mediocre" to the "we demand excellence" crowd.
Of course, when look at the trash covering LSU after after WV and the booing of its own 10th ranked team, it becomes pretty clear that the "demand for excellence" is not a two way street for some.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:53 pm to NoMercy
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You will always have something to work with a LSU. Not always the talent we have now but more than a lot of places. It is being LSU in LA. You don't think Saban tok the job in 2000 with the cupboard dry do you?
He's the best coach in the country. Sure, there will be talent at LSU. But even the best coach in the country couldn't win us a title in his first year with it. Nor could he do it at Alabama.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:54 pm to Tiger Authority
Good talk later
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:54 pm to geauxaddai
Joe Alleva's letter is absurd.
Rather than bothering with the rhetoric of tying boos directed toward MIles into a guilt trip that they're directed to the players, Alleva asks fans not to boo Miles either.
This is a university.
Booing is an expression of an opinion. And Free Speech Alley isn't the only place where that freedom rules. There are places in or around the campus where socialism and creationism are tolerated, and allowed to fail on their own merits. Alleva can't let booing fail, because it won't until Miles is replaced.
To ask people to withhold their boos for appearance's sake is beyond the pale.
If booing were really "detrimental in so many ways" there would be good cause for simply removing fans from their seats and banning their reentry. That isn't done because doing so would be controlling, ridiculous and would expose how weak Alleva's position is. This letter begging everyone to ignore the obvious is no different.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 3:56 pm to Tiger Authority
Well technically he doesn't have to be fired. It would make it easier to get a replacement however. Think Bowden/Fisher type thing.
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