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re: Les Miles's Record With a Returning QB
Posted on 3/10/15 at 9:20 pm to dukke v
Posted on 3/10/15 at 9:20 pm to dukke v
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Every team losses players... Yes LSU lost some talent... That maybe that shows that Miles isn't that good at evaluating talent.. 8-5 was a failure.......
Over the last 4 years lsu has lost 22 juniors to the draft. By far the most in all of cfb. The next highest program is Bama with 12.
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:46 am to chilge1
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2005: 11-2
Marcus Randall started the majority of games in 2004, while Jamarcus Russell only started a couple, so 2005 should not be on this list. Also, how is 2009 not on this list? Jarret Lee and Jordan Jefferson started most of the games in 2008, and both returned in 2009. Hatch only started about two or three games at the beginning of 2008, and he's the only one that didn't return.
The list should actually look like this:
2006: 11-2
2009: 9-4
2010: 11-2
2011: 13-1
2013: 10-3
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:22 am to JaxTiger10
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Over the last 4 years lsu has lost 22 juniors to the draft. By far the most in all of cfb. The next highest program is Bama with 12.
SO....LSU went 8-5 last year.... Quit making excuses for Miles.... He obviously isn't as good as a recruiter as most think... He should have the foresight to see what was gonna happen.... Sorry to tell ya that he didn't really losr any players this year. SO IF he is that good of a recruiter and developer, LSU should be at least 10-2 this year.... But 8-5 is what I see,,,,
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:00 am to dukke v
Say whatever you want about Les, but it is fact that he is at least a good recruiter. Might he be poor at QB evaluations? I'm not smart enough to answer, but the man can flat out recruit, motivate and coach(=/= clock management)
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:36 am to chilge1
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I see you managed to forget 2009 9-4?
Starting two games because the other guy got injured doesn't make the backup a returning starter.
Lee and Jefferson both returned in 2009. Together, they started the vast majority of the games in 2008. To say we didn't have a returning starter at QB in 2009 is just simply a lie.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:40 am to Nuts4LSU
We go 8&5 again this year if have any QB play. 
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:41 am to chilge1
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Starting two games because the other guy got injured doesn't make the backup a returning starter.
Then why did you put 2005 on your list? Russell only started about four games in 2004, if that many.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:02 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Well then where the fk are the sophomores and incoming juniors professors? Why the gap in age and experience. We shouldnt HAVE to replace juniors with freshmen at keys spots every fricking year. There's a disconnect somewhere.
... they already have scholarships. Let me explain. When a player leaves, he leaves a void in the scholarship limitations that is filled by the incoming class. Any questions?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:06 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Then why did you put 2005 on your list? Russell only started about four games in 2004, if that many.
Russell took the job from Randall. Jefferson was thrown our after our 1st and 2nd string QBs were injured. And again, 2009 was not included because the starter from the previous year didn't start in that year.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:10 pm to chilge1
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Russell took the job from Randall.
No he didn't......... Saban[A GREAT coach at making the right choice] knew who the better QB was and played him... Sorry Miles can't see this....
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:58 pm to dukke v
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SO....LSU went 8-5 last year.... Quit making excuses for Miles....
Its called reality.
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He obviously isn't as good as a recruiter as most think.
How the hell does losing Jrs to the draft mean Miles cant recruit?
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Sorry to tell ya that he didn't really losr any players this year. SO IF he is that good of a recruiter and developer, LSU should be at least 10-2 this year.... But 8-5 is what I see,,,,
Know your history with predictions, we'll probably go 10-2 or better.
Whats really sad is that the 8-5 seasons are the outliers under Miles, but yet you take it as the norm.
Not one starting skill position player had more than a couple starts experience and our oline was learning a brand new blocking scheme.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:01 pm to JaxTiger10
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JaxTiger10
quote:There is my LSU buddy!!!!!!!!
Its called reality.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:04 am to chilge1
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chilge1Les Miles's Record With a Returning QB by chilge12005: 11-2 2006: 11-2 2010: 11-2 2011: 13-1 2013: 10-3 Conclusion: ChIll the fck out. We are staring down a double-digit win and potential SEC Championship season.. enjoy it
2015 8-4 (4 SEC L) Miss State, Auburn, Bama , Texas A&M with a possible L @ South Carolina
I am chilled
would love to see this returning QB to prove me wrong , hope he finds his arm he has the feet .
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:05 am to Nix to Twillie
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I've said it before...usually the quarterback has given SOME kind of sign so far
Give some examples.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:20 am to chilge1
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2009 was not included because the starter from the previous year didn't start in that year.
But he returned. The fact that he didn't start has nothing to do with (and arguably contradicts) your point. Miles HAD a returning starting QB from 2008 and just chose not to use him. 2009 being left off the list is just lying.
And by the way, the starter from 2010 didn't start any of the first nine games of 2011, so why is 2011 on the list?
Also, to the extent your post was supposed to have any relevance to this year, your response above suggests that we won't have a returning QB this year if Harris takes the job from Jennings. Most people agree that we're in trouble if that doesn't happen, so what is the point of your post at all?
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Russell took the job from Randall.
Russell started only four games in 2004. When he "took the job from Randall" (at Florida), he threw two picks in the first quarter and was replaced. He didn't start again until later in the season. Randall started all but four regular season games that year, including the season finale against Arkansas. Russell started only four. I don't see how a guy with four starts returning is a returning starter, but a guy with 7 or 8 (and two guys with a combined 10 or so) is not. You're not being consistent with your criteria. Looks like you wanted to leave off a mediocre 9-4 season that belonged on the list and add in a better 11-2 season that didn't belong just to make your point look stronger than it is.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:34 am to chilge1
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This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 7:36 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:38 am to Nuts4LSU
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But he returned. The fact that he didn't start has nothing to do with (and arguably contradicts) your point.
No, it doesnt moron. His examples were from years that the starter returned.
And anyone with a brain knows you would rather return a starter, at any position, than not, so why is this a fight worth fighting?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:44 am to OceanMan
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No, it doesnt moron. His examples were from years that the starter returned.
The starter did return. He just didn't start the next year (other than the 2 games Lee actually did start in 2009) because he got beaten out by someone else (who also started 2 games the previous year, comparable to Jamarcus Russell the year before 2005, which somehow made the list). That means we should have been in an even better position. And Jordan Jefferson didn't start the first 9 games of 2011, so why is that year on the list?
2008 starter returns in 2009 but only starts 2 games = no returning starter.
2010 starter returns in 2011 but only starts 5 games = returning starter.
There's no rational basis for treating those two years differently. If 2011 is on the list, 2009 should be. OP is simply twisting the facts to make a point that is not there.
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And anyone with a brain knows you would rather return a starter, at any position, than not
We DID return a starter. We didn't use him because we found someone EVEN BETTER than the RETURNING STARTER.
Are you this obtuse?
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 8:52 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:55 am to OceanMan
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nd anyone with a brain knows you would rather return a starter, at any position, than not, so why is this a fight worth fighting?
Because that guy will argue a point to death at the drop of a hat. Guy used to coach pee wee football and thinks he is the reincarnation of Vince Lombardi. Just wait till the season starts and he posts his game "evaluations" for a really good laugh.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:03 am to Nuts4LSU
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We DID return a starter. We didn't use him because we found someone EVEN BETTER than the RETURNING STARTER.
Are you this obtuse?
Are you? You are seriously trying to argue semantics here. I think that, historically speaking, returning players at a position yields better results than the previous year. This has been the case for LSU in the past decade. Rather than argue that point, you pose this straw man argument around what qualifies as a returning starter.
However, you neglect that in 2009, regardless of which starter returned, we did in fact improve from 2008, and continued that trend of improvement until we started another QB that had no previous starts on the team. The last time we had to do that was 2008, which was the worst record in that span.
What you are arguing is ridiculous. It has no merit to the point being made, and you are calling people out for being obtuse. No, im not obtuse, your argument is just not relevant, I dont care if you think you are correct.
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