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re: Les Miles being treated unfairly?

Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:14 pm to
How did Saban do with Rick Clausen and Marcus Randall? How about Craig Nall?

Rick Clausen never was the starting QB under Jimbo/Saban. Offense was better under Randall than under Lee/JJ, the two QB's they have developed together.

Jimbo was the last real QB coach LSU had. Every problem with the QB's can be traced back to his last QB (Flynn) leaving
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:14 pm to
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Again bmy...fair point. But the common tread was Fisher, not Miles or Saban.



Which would hint at the issue being Crowton Adds weight to the idea that Miles is being treated a little unfairly.

It's his fault for keeping Crowton around though. Unless he's simply not allowed to get rid of him because it costs to much.

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This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:15 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:16 pm to
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Which would hint at the issue being Crowton Adds weight to the idea that Miles is being treated a little unfairly.

It's his fault for keeping Crowton around though.



The fact that there is no improvement in game 12 from game one, in the last two years, you bet its the head coaches fault. Crowton may be the problem, Les is the coach.

If Miles doesn't do something DURING this season to correct the problem, any criticism and calling for Miles to be fired will not be unfair.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:16 pm to
poor les
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:16 pm to
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I'd lump Miles in with the group containing Mack Brown, Stoops, and Tressel. Below the group containing Meyer and Saban.

- Since Brown got Texas rolling, he has yet to not have a 10 win season

-Stoops has six conference titles and has never had had back to back seasons where he didn't win 10 ball games

Tressel also has six conference titles and has also never had back to back seasons where he failed to get 10 wins.

Sorry, but Miles ain't in that group.
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted by The Ramp
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2004
12806 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Sorry, but Miles ain't in that group.


good lord...Ole Miss could win the Big Ten
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:19 pm to
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good lord...Ole Miss could win the Big Ten


Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:20 pm to
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good lord...Ole Miss could win the Big Ten


Well Miles can't seem to beat them lately either, so what does that matter?
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:20 pm to
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Les Miles being treated unfairly?
How did Saban do with Rick Clausen and Marcus Randall? How about Craig Nall?

Rick Clausen never was the starting QB under Jimbo/Saban. Offense was better under Randall than under Lee/JJ, the two QB's they have developed together.

Jimbo was the last real QB coach LSU had. Every problem with the QB's can be traced back to his last QB (Flynn) leaving

Roger,Lee's offense better than Randall's.
When are you going to be specific about this average coaching label you're so quick to toss out.Would Bama have won MNC with JJ at QB?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:20 pm to
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Sorry, but Miles ain't in that group.


They all have NCs. That puts him in one of the top two tiers whether you like it or not.

1) The best of the best
2) The champions
3) the winners
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:21 pm
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78772 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:20 pm to
sweet, lets bump up ole miss so it doesnt look as bad that we cant beat them anymore

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297066 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:21 pm to
quote:



good lord...Ole Miss could win the Big Ten




The gems you find on this board from time to time.
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:22 pm to
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They all have NCs. That puts him in one of the top two tiers whether you like it or not.

1) The best of the best
2) The champions
3) the winners


Larry Coker has a national title. Does he belong there?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:23 pm to
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Larry Coker has a national title. Does he belong there?



Right next to Miles at the bottom of tier 2.
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:24 pm to
right. along with dennis erickson too i guess?
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78772 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:25 pm to
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Right next to Miles at the bottom of tier 2.


GTFO

you mean larry coker, who was fired by miami, is a tier 2 coach???
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297066 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:26 pm to



Roger,Lee's offense better than Randall's.

Randalls only season as THE starter, he split time with JR because Jimbo/Saban knew he was average. That season, LSU lost two regular season games. I am going to say you are dead wrong.
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:26 pm to
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The fact that there is no improvement in game 12 from game one, in the last two years, you bet its the head coaches fault. Crowton may be the problem, Les is the coach.

If Miles doesn't do something DURING this season to correct the problem, any criticism and calling for Miles to be fired will not be unfair.


Didn't see much improvement out of Jones at OU or Barkley at USC.
What should the coaches be doing to help JJ understand the game?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:28 pm to
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you mean larry coker, who was fired by miami, is a tier 2 coach???


All coaches become washed up eventually. Look at Spurrier.. the game has passed him by. Fired or not, it doesn't change the fact that he won it all. He didn't suck until after he had success, right?

No shitty coach has ever won a national championship.
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:29 pm to
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Randalls only season as THE starter, he split time with JR because Jimbo/Saban knew he was average. That season, LSU lost two regular season games. I am going to say you are dead wrong.

Prove it! You keep avoiding how you know the coaching is average?
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