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re: Les Miles being treated unfairly?
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:00 pm to bmy
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:00 pm to bmy
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Les Miles being treated unfairly?
Do people realize that over the course of 5 seasons Miles brought LSU to 51 wins? He then dropped the ball for an 8 win season. Improved on the record the season following that for 9 wins.
Even with one disastrous season and one lack luster season.. in order for Saban to match Miles success he has to average 9 wins for the next 2 seasons. Odds are he'll average 10-12, and edge Miles out by 3 or so wins in a 5 year period. That's not including vacated wins btw.
People act like 3-4 wins over the course of 5 seasons is a gigantic difference
He won't if he loses McElroy prior to this season and has an freshman QB for two consecutive seasons.
ULM or UAB could beat a Saban coached team. Better to ease by MSU and Troy than to lose to ULM and UAB.
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:01 pm to The Ramp
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OL and running game might have had something to do with this. that and the fact that McElroy is light years better than JJ
Your posts really don;t make sense.
Why do you think McElroy is "light years" ahead of JJ and Lee when it comes to being able to run an offense?
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:01 pm to Bernie Moore
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He won't if he loses McElroy prior to this season and has an freshman QB for two consecutive seasons.
Yeah, that QB must be as sharp as Miles to be a freshman for two years running.
Again, to make it easy for you, Jefferson saw quite a bit of playing time in 08 before looking completely lost in 09.
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why do you think McElroy is "light years" ahead of JJ and Lee when it comes to being able to run an offense?
He's simply better
It is possible for one guy to be better than another. But a player for Bama is better because of Saban and a player for LSU is worse because of Miles.
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:04 pm to secfan123
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Saban took over a program that had one winning season in the past 4 years. Miles took over a program that had two sec titles and a national title. Saban is 33-8 his first three years and miles was 35-6 (by the way if Saban just goes 10-3 next year he will have beatn the best 3 year period ever in LSU history). Saban took over two losing programs and in 8 years has 3 sec titles and 2 national titles. All Miles has to do to match him is win 2 more SEC titles and another national title in the next 3 years!
So Miles took over Sabans team and did more with it than he did. Saban took over Shulas team and did more with it than he did. The second is definitely more impressive imo (srs)
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:05 pm to Bernie Moore
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Kind of like Bama blocking 2 fgs
We were leading by nine with a little over three minutes to go. If Ingram doesn't fumble for the only time in his college career on his first down run, we win 12-3.
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,beating LSU after trailing when Jefferson and Scott get injured.
Bama was beating LSU all over the field. Look at the stats of that game.
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What about beating Texas when trailing only to see MCCoy go down?
6 points is absolutely isurmountable. Especially when going against McCoy (look how he manhandled Nebraska's defense! he was already 2 of 6- hall of fame numbers there!)
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:05 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Ask yourself this question...why did Miles need to go for it on 4th down so damn many times during the 07 season?
why did Bama or Flor need blocked FGs to win their NCs against vastly inferior teams?
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:06 pm to Bernie Moore
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He won't if he loses McElroy prior to this season and has an freshman QB for two consecutive seasons.
Sabans offense doesn't put the game on the arm of his QB. Since JR and Flynn left, Miles and Crowton have been exposed as crappy offensive schemers and poor developers of talent. Bama;s offense could do better than LSU's last year if TC McCartney was the QB in red.
Les Miles and Crowton are proving they cannot develop a QB, and find it impossible to scheme around that problem.
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:06 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Yeah, that QB must be as sharp as Miles to be a freshman for two years running.
Again, to make it easy for you, Jefferson saw quite a bit of playing time in 08 before looking completely lost in 09.
So, you think that if McElroy went down and AJ was thrown to the wolves before he's ready.. and lead his team to an 8-9 win season and as a result AJ gets hurt/shell shocked.. You think that Phillip Simms could step in and perform? Or do you think you would see a similar result to the Lee/Jefferson fiasco?
Bottom line is that 2008 was an awful season. The offense was surprisingly good even with the pick 6's. The defense was horribly bad, due to a poor coaching hire.
2009 was an okay season. We lead every game but one and just couldn't finish. I'd expect anyone to have similar issues if they were in the same situation.
We just gotta hope that Miles hasn't lost his mojo and we'll see what's going down in a few weeks.
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:07 pm to The Ramp
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why did Bama or Flor need blocked FGs to win their NCs against vastly inferior teams?
That is one game you are refering to by each of those teams...I was asking about an entire season of necessary 4th down conversions.
Lesticles should be defined as one that can not make a first down with only three downs.
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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When you have two QB's who have been with the program for about three years now, and cannot read defenses who the hell do you blame????
Is Les just recruiting stupid players? I highly doubt it. The staff seems incapable of developing a QB that can effectively run an offense.
Jamarcus Russell and Matt Fynn are 2 they developed.
Roger,once again,be specific about this average coaching thing. What are the coaches doing wrong? Should you replace Crowton?
How did Saban do with Rick Clausen and Marcus Randall? How about Craig Nall?
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:08 pm to bmy
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So Miles took over Sabans team and did more with it than he did. Saban took over Shulas team and did more with it than he did. The second is definitely more impressive imo (srs)
No, It took Saban five years to really get LSU running (ya'll were so damned bad before then that even five years is a minor miracle). Again, Saban has 8 years in the SEC, 2 natinonal titles and 3 SEC titles. You tink Miles will have that in three more years?
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:09 pm to Dallasgrowl
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That is one game you are refering to by each of those teams...I was asking about an entire season of necessary 4th down conversions.
u my friend have some selective memory. i can't argue when every time Bama (or any other NC team) got a lucky break, they earn it and lsu gets one it's because Miles is lucky.
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:10 pm to secfan123
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No, It took Saban five years to really get LSU running (ya'll were so damned bad before then that even five years is a minor miracle). Again, Saban has 8 years in the SEC, 2 natinonal titles and 3 SEC titles. You tink Miles will have that in three more years?
I sure don't. I think he'll have an SEC title within that time.. and that same season maybe a NC. That's of course assuming that he's a better coach than he gets credit for and the wheels don't fall off this season.
I think Saban is his superior. But it's not as day and night as the rantards would have you believe. I'd lump Miles in with the group containing Mack Brown, Stoops, and Tressel. Below the group containing Meyer and Saban.
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:10 pm to Bernie Moore
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Jamarcus Russell and Matt Fynn are 2 they developed.
Who did? I am not one of those Saban guys, but you probably should sit on the sidelines a while and watch the grown ups play the game.
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:11 pm to Bernie Moore
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Jamarcus Russell and Matt Fynn are 2 they developed.
Jimbo Fisher
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:11 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Who did? I am not one of those Saban guys, but you probably should sit on the sidelines a while and watch the grown ups play the game.
2007 was Flynns 3rd year with Miles. I don't think it's fair to say that he didn't get developed.
Crowton
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:12 pm to secfan123
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Okay we'll do it this way. Les has bad years 2 out of every 5. Pete has bad years 2 out of every 10
1) I never said Les was as good as Pete. He's not. But again, that doesn't mean he sucks.
2) I absolutely reject your notion that we were bad last year. Was it a great year? Of course not. Is it acceptable every year? No. But only a fricking retard would call a 9-4/Cap One Bowl season "bad."
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:12 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Yeah, that QB must be as sharp as Miles to be a freshman for two years running.
Again, to make it easy for you, Jefferson saw quite a bit of playing time in 08 before looking completely lost in 09.
Redshirt freshman are classified as such 2 yrs in a row.
Jefferson played 4th qtr of OM game and Arky game.
Posted on 7/13/10 at 2:13 pm to bmy
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2007 was Flynns 3rd year with Miles. I don't think it's fair to say that he didn't get developed.
Again bmy...fair point. But the common tread was Fisher, not Miles or Saban.
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