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re: Joe Burrow, 5-Wide & 5 in Pass Protection? "It Means the World"

Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:54 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:54 am to
No shithead, I'm making fun of you.

You also understand that the Saints generally don't use the wide alignments at the OL that is indicative of the true Spread? The Saints offense is mostly West Coast based, with quick short throws to a wide variety of targets. Not only that, they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:57 am to
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I have long been a proponent of 3wide/1 TE sets. If memory serves me correctly, Jimbo ran a ton of this at LSU while he was here with Henderson/Clayton etc



For a couple of years we were the best team in the nation in using the WR screen, of different varieties.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:59 am to
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For a couple of years we were the best team in the nation in using the WR screen, of different varieties.


from 2001 to 2006 jimbo ran a shite ton of WR tunnel screens and bubble screens to josh reed, skyler green (see tunnel screen he took to the house against arky 2002), dwayne bowe, etc. bowe was great at tunnels. watch tennessee game 2006.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:59 am to
Those S. Green bubble and slip screens
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
38088 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:02 pm to
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Who knows (or cares) why... it flopped.


It didn't flop at all. I bet we will use it a lot when there is a DL matchup that isn't favorable by lining up Moss or the TE on that side and having him rub the DL on his way into the flat. That look will also allow the WR on that side to run Bench and Corner routes, depending on the coverage. We ran fairly successfully out of it as well, and I expect we will continue to do so, as we will involve the WRs more in the running game, and run concepts based on motion to exploit the safeties desire to come up to the LOS when they recognize a familiar alignment.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:02 pm to
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they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.


saints use multiple sets. wide and tight u name it. even 5 wide empty sets. yep lots of tight stuff with 3 or 4 WR's. see all the GUN SNUGS sets they run. may not be spread out but it casues natural rubs and picks and makes it easier for a defender to lose their guy coming off the LOS.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:03 pm to
I remember that game well. But that game, Jimbo ran the screens one time too many, as it led to a turnover. I wish he exploited verticality with the look too, but he generally liked to run the screen as a screen.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:07 pm to
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can't imagine this dude's reaction to using the Ace. Burrow under center?

Buckeye Jeaux: WHAT OFFENSE HAS EVER WON ANYTHING WITH THE QB UNDER CENTER!!!!??!?!?!?




Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:08 pm to
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You also understand that the Saints generally don't use the wide alignments at the OL that is indicative of the true Spread? The Saints offense is mostly West Coast based, with quick short throws to a wide variety of targets. Not only that, they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.

All fair points. But, I just watched the Saints '18 '19 highlights, and saw many more plays from the gun than from under center, And saw one play from a Tight formation
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:12 pm to
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It didn't flop at all.
Three consecutive FG's against a passing defense that ranks just below Rutgers, Temple, and Rice? Yeah. That's a flop.

doubt you'll see that crap again til Brady and Burrow are long gone.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:14 pm to
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see all the GUN SNUGS sets they run. may not be spread out but it casues natural rubs and picks and makes it easier for a defender to lose their guy coming off the LOS.


oh and speaking of this, i rewatched game and that TD pass to mcmath was out of something just like a gun snugs formation. classic saints. two guys tight on each side, single back in the gun. it went for a TD! and suckeye joe is bitching?



Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:15 pm to
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til Brady and Burrow are long gone.


Brady and Brennan will be just as good next few years
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:15 pm to
One thing I did like was we had more screen plays this game, which is something we need to develop to tame overeager D-lines. A more expansive screen game can also help bring a young QB along next year.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:17 pm to
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One thing I did like was we had more screen plays this game, which is something we need to develop to tame overeager D-lines. A more expansive screen game can also help bring a young QB along next year.




yep just need more RB screens. like GSU game. those worked well.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Three consecutive FG's against a passing defense that ranks just below Rutgers, Temple, and Rice? Yeah. That's a flop.


Again, watch the 2nd drive. The Tight gave us the ability to run a variety of plays out of it, from RPO to a spread iso for CEH to a WR run for Jefferson to a rub and release route for Moss. It will be seen again almost assuredly, because we do lots of things well in it. I suspect your problem with has little to do with it's on-field deployment.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:27 pm to
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Again, watch the 2nd drive. The Tight gave us the ability to run a variety of plays out of it, from RPO to a spread iso for CEH to a WR run for Jefferson to a rub and release route for Moss. It will be seen again almost assuredly, because we do lots of things well in it. I suspect your problem with has little to do with it's on-field deployment.
LSU had THE highest scoring offense. AND LSU had the MOST Red Zone TDs in college football.

Now, it MUST be fixed? Guess what... EVERY major success in EVERY field of endeavor MUST be fixed by some ego driven a-hole who wants to put his brand on it.

It is human nature. Can't let that shite happen.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
38088 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:31 pm to
What in the hell are you talking about? It can be fixed fairly easily. First we targeted Chase in the redzone, and MSU schemed around that. I would wager that the RPO on the 2nd drive also would have led to a TD if Burrows read was wrong, which it might have been.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90105 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:31 pm to
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Moving on? Burrow is confirming that he does NOT want or need the Max Protect that "Tight" formations easily provide. For a talented accurate QB, Max-Protect is a major obstacle to a highly effective passing game... sorta like putting training wheels on a professional racing bicycle... thanks, but no thanks.


, back to blaming the coaches for not padding Burrow's stats I see. Pitiful.
Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
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7789 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:33 pm to
So what you’re saying is Joe can only be effective in a very limited formation and play selection.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90105 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:37 pm to
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You should give him credit for a lot of things. Y'all whined about him all offseason and the dude was spot on.






He/she was completely illogical all offseason. No one that predicted this kind of offensive output had any basis in reality. He/she just got lucky, and Buckeye's threads since then continue to prove he/she is clueless about LSU.
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