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re: Joe Burrow, 5-Wide & 5 in Pass Protection? "It Means the World"
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:54 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:54 am to Buckeye Jeaux
No shithead, I'm making fun of you.
You also understand that the Saints generally don't use the wide alignments at the OL that is indicative of the true Spread? The Saints offense is mostly West Coast based, with quick short throws to a wide variety of targets. Not only that, they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.
You also understand that the Saints generally don't use the wide alignments at the OL that is indicative of the true Spread? The Saints offense is mostly West Coast based, with quick short throws to a wide variety of targets. Not only that, they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:57 am to jimbeam
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I have long been a proponent of 3wide/1 TE sets. If memory serves me correctly, Jimbo ran a ton of this at LSU while he was here with Henderson/Clayton etc
For a couple of years we were the best team in the nation in using the WR screen, of different varieties.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:59 am to crazy4lsu
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For a couple of years we were the best team in the nation in using the WR screen, of different varieties.
from 2001 to 2006 jimbo ran a shite ton of WR tunnel screens and bubble screens to josh reed, skyler green (see tunnel screen he took to the house against arky 2002), dwayne bowe, etc. bowe was great at tunnels. watch tennessee game 2006.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:59 am to crazy4lsu
Those S. Green bubble and slip screens 

Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Who knows (or cares) why... it flopped.
It didn't flop at all. I bet we will use it a lot when there is a DL matchup that isn't favorable by lining up Moss or the TE on that side and having him rub the DL on his way into the flat. That look will also allow the WR on that side to run Bench and Corner routes, depending on the coverage. We ran fairly successfully out of it as well, and I expect we will continue to do so, as we will involve the WRs more in the running game, and run concepts based on motion to exploit the safeties desire to come up to the LOS when they recognize a familiar alignment.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.
saints use multiple sets. wide and tight u name it. even 5 wide empty sets. yep lots of tight stuff with 3 or 4 WR's. see all the GUN SNUGS sets they run. may not be spread out but it casues natural rubs and picks and makes it easier for a defender to lose their guy coming off the LOS.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:03 pm to Fat Bastard
I remember that game well. But that game, Jimbo ran the screens one time too many, as it led to a turnover. I wish he exploited verticality with the look too, but he generally liked to run the screen as a screen.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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can't imagine this dude's reaction to using the Ace. Burrow under center?
Buckeye Jeaux: WHAT OFFENSE HAS EVER WON ANYTHING WITH THE QB UNDER CENTER!!!!??!?!?!?


Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:08 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:All fair points. But, I just watched the Saints '18 '19 highlights, and saw many more plays from the gun than from under center, And saw one play from a Tight formation
You also understand that the Saints generally don't use the wide alignments at the OL that is indicative of the true Spread? The Saints offense is mostly West Coast based, with quick short throws to a wide variety of targets. Not only that, they use a wider variety of formations for different purposes, but based on the same principles of drawing the safeties nearer to the LOS and exploiting that with verticality, and getting the ball to playmakers in space. They use the Tight for the same purpose.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:12 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Three consecutive FG's against a passing defense that ranks just below Rutgers, Temple, and Rice? Yeah. That's a flop.
It didn't flop at all.
doubt you'll see that crap again til Brady and Burrow are long gone.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:14 pm to Fat Bastard
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see all the GUN SNUGS sets they run. may not be spread out but it casues natural rubs and picks and makes it easier for a defender to lose their guy coming off the LOS.
oh and speaking of this, i rewatched game and that TD pass to mcmath was out of something just like a gun snugs formation. classic saints. two guys tight on each side, single back in the gun. it went for a TD! and suckeye joe is bitching?

Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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til Brady and Burrow are long gone.
Brady and Brennan will be just as good next few years
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:15 pm to jimbeam
One thing I did like was we had more screen plays this game, which is something we need to develop to tame overeager D-lines. A more expansive screen game can also help bring a young QB along next year.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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One thing I did like was we had more screen plays this game, which is something we need to develop to tame overeager D-lines. A more expansive screen game can also help bring a young QB along next year.
yep just need more RB screens. like GSU game. those worked well.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:19 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Three consecutive FG's against a passing defense that ranks just below Rutgers, Temple, and Rice? Yeah. That's a flop.
Again, watch the 2nd drive. The Tight gave us the ability to run a variety of plays out of it, from RPO to a spread iso for CEH to a WR run for Jefferson to a rub and release route for Moss. It will be seen again almost assuredly, because we do lots of things well in it. I suspect your problem with has little to do with it's on-field deployment.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:27 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:LSU had THE highest scoring offense. AND LSU had the MOST Red Zone TDs in college football.
Again, watch the 2nd drive. The Tight gave us the ability to run a variety of plays out of it, from RPO to a spread iso for CEH to a WR run for Jefferson to a rub and release route for Moss. It will be seen again almost assuredly, because we do lots of things well in it. I suspect your problem with has little to do with it's on-field deployment.
Now, it MUST be fixed? Guess what... EVERY major success in EVERY field of endeavor MUST be fixed by some ego driven a-hole who wants to put his brand on it.
It is human nature. Can't let that shite happen.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:31 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
What in the hell are you talking about? It can be fixed fairly easily. First we targeted Chase in the redzone, and MSU schemed around that. I would wager that the RPO on the 2nd drive also would have led to a TD if Burrows read was wrong, which it might have been.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:31 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Moving on? Burrow is confirming that he does NOT want or need the Max Protect that "Tight" formations easily provide. For a talented accurate QB, Max-Protect is a major obstacle to a highly effective passing game... sorta like putting training wheels on a professional racing bicycle... thanks, but no thanks.

Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:33 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
So what you’re saying is Joe can only be effective in a very limited formation and play selection.

Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You should give him credit for a lot of things. Y'all whined about him all offseason and the dude was spot on.

He/she was completely illogical all offseason. No one that predicted this kind of offensive output had any basis in reality. He/she just got lucky, and Buckeye's threads since then continue to prove he/she is clueless about LSU.
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