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re: JJ's improvement
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:32 pm to LJB
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:32 pm to LJB
if u think jj didn't improve all yr, then u don't know football. periodits reality. he took less sacks at the end of the year(he was sacked 0 times against penn state), he got better throwing the deep ball( increase in % of throws over 20 yards), he got better.at reading presnap defenses(td throw to bl in bowl game). i'm not sayin jj is a great qb. all i'm saying is that he did improve over the year. and to the guy that said his best game was uw, didn't you know you can't use stats when talking about jj because he put up similar stats to flynn. so which.is it. either flynn sucked or jj wasn't that bad
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:32 pm to AlexLSU
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Anyone who didn't see improvement is an idiot frick. I've posted the stats plenty of times and even compared his year to Jamarcus in 2005 and Flynn in 2007. Unfortunately, the majority of the people that join in on this debate are morons.
Anyone who judges a QB performance solely on stats is an absolute idiot. A QB's performance is measured by offensive output. JJ didn't throw a hell of a lot of INT's because he is terrified of throwing the ball to anyone with a defender within 5 yards.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:33 pm to Jdawgz
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It has to do with him looking confused on the field which he did from game 1 to the Capital One bowl. A QB should be in control and know the game situation, which it was obvious he did not. When are we as fans ok with squeaking by poor teams. He has not looked confortable or like a leader this whole year.
Same can be said for Jarrett Lee in 2008. Is it just a coincidence that the QBs who played the past two seasons under Miles and Crowton possess no leadership and look completley lost on the field?
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:34 pm to Chimlim
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Same can be said for Jarrett Lee in 2008. Is it just a coincidence that the QBs who played the past two seasons under Miles and Crowton possess no leadership and look completley lost on the field?
Absolutely not. This is the real problem with the lack of QB development.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:38 pm to MightyYat
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I really don't want to see Garrett have the reigns given to him because that means Miles is pulling out all the stops and our season is already fricked.
Yeah, our season was real fricked when Arnsparger gave the reigns to redshirt freshman Tommy Hodson back in 86? You don't want Chris Garrett playing even if he looks like another potential Hodson? Hodson types don't come along too often, but if and when they show up, they need to be on the field. Not saying Garrett IS, but IF he shows TH like qualities in the Spring and Fall camp, he needs to be playing......
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:40 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
If your a stat man/woman then research:1) Who those other 37 better rated QB's are 2)What level of Def. they played against 3)How many had more than a soph. worth of experience....then your stats can carry a little more water.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:40 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Where he improved- avoiding turnovers (I'm reaching here), reading defenses (possibly), checking out of bad plays, knowing the playbook
Where he didn't improve, regressed or stayed the same- game management, holding the ball too long, hesitancy, game/situational awareness, checking down to receivers, ball placement/accuracy, footwork, delivery, leadership, and presentation of himself (always looks confused).
Where he didn't improve, regressed or stayed the same- game management, holding the ball too long, hesitancy, game/situational awareness, checking down to receivers, ball placement/accuracy, footwork, delivery, leadership, and presentation of himself (always looks confused).
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:40 pm to CAJUN LSU MAN
right here.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ didn't throw a hell of a lot of INT's because he is terrified of throwing the ball to anyone with a defender within 5 yards.
Coaches pounded in his head not to throw ints. Which is fine, and I will give JJ credit for this: He was able to put up those stats with no running game and a poor Oline. I've said it many times that JJ is a great QB for a run first offense. Not the insane shite we're doing with Crowton.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:41 pm to Chimlim
quote:Why no, no it isn't.
Is it just a coincidence that the QBs who played the past two seasons under Miles and Crowton possess no leadership and look completley lost on the field?
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:44 pm to TigerBandAlumnus82
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Yeah, our season was real fricked when Arnsparger gave the reigns to redshirt freshman Tommy Hodson back in 86? You don't want Chris Garrett playing even if he looks like another potential Hodson? Hodson types don't come along too often, but if and when they show up, they need to be on the field. Not saying Garrett IS, but IF he shows TH like qualities in the Spring and Fall camp, he needs to be playing......
Cough, cough. BS. Before JJ gets benched, I want to see one of the backups shine during a game, with defenders coming at him who actually want to plant him in the dirt.
If CG is as great as you all say, then I can assure you that God also wants him to play (being the Tiger fan that he is). So God will let JJ get hurt--nothing too serious, just enough to get CG in for a few snaps--and we'll all be blown away by his performance on the field. Then and only then will JJ become the backup to a freshman quarterback.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ didn't throw a hell of a lot of INT's because he is terrified of throwing the ball to anyone with a defender within 5 yards
Or anything between the hashmarks.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Anyone who judges a QB performance solely on stats is an absolute idiot
Anyone who ignores stats is both ignorant and an absolute fool. You probably thought Matt Flynn was a complete stud, but:
JJ had fewer INTs
JJ had a higher completion percentage
JJ had a higher QB rating
Both players were +10 on TDs/INTs (Flynn 21/11), JJ (17/7)
This tells us that JJ can protect the ball, get the ball to his WRs at a high rate, and is an overall efficient QB.
Now, take into account that:
Flynn had an awesome running game, Jordan did not.
Flynn had an awesome offensive line, Jordan did not.
Flynn was a 5th year senior, Jordan was a 2nd year sophomore.
Furthermore, JJ played a very limited role last season. His Peach Bowl performance was overhyped, because he overall wasn't a very effective QB in those 2 1/2 games. He completed less than 50% of his passes and looked confused and uncomfortable at times, as a true freshman should. So the fact that he improved statistically in basically every category means, naturally, that he did not improve? Perfect.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:53 pm to AlexLSU
Improved from the beginning of the year? Prove it. SHow me where.
What the hell does this have to do with Flynn? Matt Flynn was the weak point in LSU's '07 offense. How did JJ lead LSU to a stellar offense? Show me. Prove to me he improved over the course of the season. Show me how JJ became the QB who improved LSU's offense.
What the hell does this have to do with Flynn? Matt Flynn was the weak point in LSU's '07 offense. How did JJ lead LSU to a stellar offense? Show me. Prove to me he improved over the course of the season. Show me how JJ became the QB who improved LSU's offense.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:56 pm to Nuts4LSU
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The guy is not one iota better than he was the day he walked onto the campus.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:57 pm to MightyYat
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"Look here you dumb arse 9 year old. Drew Brees can check down to his fifth receiver, why the frick can't you? Arggggghhhhhh."
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:58 pm to AlexLSU
THANK YOU. NOW WHICH IS IT. IT CAN'T BE BOTH, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. DID FLYNN SUCK OR WAS JJ DECENT. HE PUT UP THE SAME STATS WITH NO RUNNING GAME AND HORRIBE PASSBLOCKING. WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SEE THIS. GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:00 pm to TheDoc
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The guy is not one iota better than he was the day he walked onto the campus.
There may be truth to this Doc, overall. Some things he has improved, some have regressed. But its not JJ's fault IMO. He has a crappy coaching staff that will not only lead to JJ's and Lee's ruination, but probably the next in line as well. JJ is winging this without much help IMO.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The guy is not one iota better than he was the day he walked onto the campus.
There may be truth to this Doc, overall.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:05 pm to CAJUN LSU MAN
Calm down dude, it's the coaching that's the problem, not JJ
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