re: JJ and Co. ranked 5th at QB position according to Chris Low

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Personally, I don't think either can make drastic improvements under Crowton unless Gonzales really is as incredible a coach as some believe him to be.

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I don't think either need to improve that much, just dump the 4&5 wide / meerkat crap and base the passing offense off of play action. Both QB's have performed decently out of play action.

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come on dude.

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Obviously our QBs are no where in the realm of Brees, but you are trying to discredit short passes as some kind of statistically abnormality, when the fact of the matter is that there are many offense that revolve around the short passing game and these offense tend to work.

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its absurd to you because you dont understand the point.

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No, I understand your point completely and its absurd. You're attempting to discredit short passes. The problem is that any reasonable football fan understands that short passes comprise about half of the passing game in some schemes and can often be more difficult to throw than longer passes because they depend more on timing.

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the short passes is an indication of passes such as slants, dumpdowns, curls... ie the passes hs qbs can make... what they do is boost completion percentages.

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Have you ever thrown a slant route? Because you posted this, I'm guessing not. Slants are not an easy pass by an stretch of the imagination.

And as far as boosting completion percentages, are you under the impression that the most stubborn coordinator in the world, Gary Crowton, changed the style of offense we ran under Jefferson from what we ran under Lee? Because you'd be absolutely wrong on that count.

The fact of the matter is Jefferson was just more accurate than Lee on these short routes (as displayed by another poster who showed us the comparison.)

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Obv moving the ball is the objective no matter in which it is accomplished, however when someone else uses that to say so and so has better stats than someone else, its worth noting

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It's worth nothing to you because you don't understand the position and are too stubborn to open yourself to the idea that Jefferson is simply a more accurate passer than Lee.

And when both run the same offense (as they did) using statistics can be helpful to determine which was the more accurate passer.

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but you are trying to discredit short passes as some kind of statistically abnormality,

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no im not.
when you can make every throw on the field (brees) then it becomes a non issue, when you cant (JJ), then it is.

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You're attempting to discredit short passes. The problem is that any reasonable football fan understands that short passes comprise about half of the passing game in some schemes and can often be more difficult to throw than longer passes because they depend more on timing.

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once again, no im not.
When thats generally all you can do it makes an issue.

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Have you ever thrown a slant route? Because you posted this, I'm guessing not. Slants are not an easy pass by an stretch of the imagination.

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yes
its a one step drop, most qbs learn it in jr high.

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It's worth nothing to you because you don't understand the position and are too stubborn to open yourself to the idea that Jefferson is simply a more accurate passer than Lee.

And when both run the same offense (as they did) using statistics can be helpful to determine which was the more accurate passer.

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keep telling yourself that.

Actually I never said JJ was a more or a less accurate passer than JL... just that if you took away the elementary throws that JJ made last season (which is the majority)... suddenly that drum isnt as enticing to bang of what a great pass completer he is.
If you dont believe put it on cst and watch the replays next few weeks, ive seen the replays many times, have you?

JJ will be ok. The pressure is on

After Mallett and Brantley there isn't a great deal of head turning QB talent in the SEC. To be ranked behind McElroy and Garcia is not a tribute to LSU's QB situation.

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but it at least gives us a hint that Jefferson might not be such a terrible leader.

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He needs to understand that his body language affects the team. He seems to project a negative image after a play breaks down or when a WR does not do what he expects. Instead, I wish he would talk to his WR's and try and get on the same page and not make the crazy faces and pout. Maybe this is something that he will improve on with maturity but we must get more positive energy and leadership form the QB position.

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So... Jefferson throws for more yards per attempt, has a much higher compeltion percentage, has more total yards, finds the end zone more frequently, throws a lot less picks, AND he's a better runner.

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Boom.

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Seriously, how is this even a debate?

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It shouldn't be.

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What has Lee ever done to make anyone think he is a better option than Jefferson?

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Throw a fade, that's about it.

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Jefferson's actually been a pretty efficient player.

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He's too safe and conservative, but still a better option than Lee.

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Anyone respond to this yet?

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Not really.

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Tiger_n_ATL

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imagine that, you stroking docs cock over a qb thread.


IM not nor have I ever suggested one start over the other.
However it grows tiresome listening to the same few of you bash JL in order to make JJ look better.
Thats what you do, have done in the past and continue to do.

Ive said it on here before on here and I'll again.
I hope JL (when given another opp) becomes biggest comeback player in our football history ... and for no other reason than to make those of you that hate the guy look like a fricking jerkoff.
Every one of you know exactly who you are.

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IM not nor have I ever suggested one start over the other.

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Oh this is complete bullshite

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those of you that hate the guy

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I for one don't hate any of the lsu football players.

I'm sorry that you think people hate players when they present facts on why a certain player should be playing over another.