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Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:12 pm to
Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:12 pm to
JJ has a much better arm and is a better passer
evan if he has bad mech. jl has to arch. the ball
on long passes jj throws tight spirals.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

JJ has a much better arm and is a better passer
evan if he has bad mech. jl has to arch. the ball
on long passes jj throws tight spirals.


Lee has a stronger arm and your supposed to "arch" the ball on deep passes. You are clueless. You are worse than a ranter.
This post was edited on 12/18/08 at 5:14 pm
Posted by specs1
Member since Dec 2005
10015 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

JJ has a much better arm and is a better passer
evan if he has bad mech. jl has to arch. the ball
on long passes jj throws tight spirals.


U serious?

Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:15 pm to
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is a better passer


Lee- 53%
Jefferson- 41%
Posted by jmath23lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
811 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:18 pm to
This doesn't include YAC, but Lee's longest pass was 66 yds to Jefferson's 41. Again, no YAC, but it's yet another number that proves my point that there simply isn't the body of work to support anyone's claims about Jefferson being better than Lee.

To make comparisons to previous quarterbacks, Lee reminds me of JaMarcus while Jefferson reminds me of Flynn, in that JaMarcus looked flat out terrible on the field, but when I'd go back and look at the line for the game, he had somehow managed to complete 60% of his passes for 200+ yards. Flynn looked a lot more fluid in the way he read the field, but his stats were never obviously better than JaMarcus'.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
18698 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:21 pm to
JJ is no superstar in the waiting,he is capable as is JL of leading the offense,but niether impress as becoming great players.The one thing JJ possesses that JL does not is escapability.When the called play breaks down JJ can produce a positive play.JL under the same circustances throws illadvised passes.I think JJ plays and is AVERAGE,JL comes in with us down 14-21 points and plays AVERAGE and we lose and put an end to an AVERAGE season
Posted by TigerinSoCal
Pasadena, CA
Member since Dec 2008
996 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

JJ runs better has a stronger more acurate arm


Which throws were you watching? You mean like the one at the end of the first half of the Arkansas game that was no where near the receiver it was so severely under thrown? I can't remember how many others were no where near catchable, usually thrown at the receiver's feet.

quote:

No one I know who saw the Ark. game thinks JL should start. Who are you people? Rel. of JL?


Wow, I still don't get why so many people have anointed JJ as the savior after watching the last half of Ole Miss and the Arkansas game. JJ sure did a great job leading the team to victory in both of those games. While the Ole Miss game was just bad all around, the Arkansas game especially stands out as one we should have won as Arkansas has a pathetic defense yet, how many 3 and outs did JJ have in the second half when any kind of sustained drive after the first drive of the second half could have changed the outcome of the game (I still believe the biggest let down in the Ark game was the defense but the offense didn't help at all after the first and only scoring drive of the second half). And how about no yards when we were trying to get into field goal range for a shot to win the game. Great game management there (everyone seems to want to blame the coaches for not moving the ball with 3 times outs, but I would have expected some kind of gain from a QB who was undefeated in 22 starts - put simply, in spite of all his athletic abilities, facts are facts and JJ simply did not manage the hurry up offense very well at all).

Bottom line, too many people are focusing on pick 6s Lee threw, mostly an anomaly and largely due to the lack of tackling by an offense that didn't seem to care. While Lee did some bone headed things, he also led some great come from behind drives, something JJ has yet to do.

So do I think one is necessarily better than the other? No, and only time will tell (they each have great talent but with slightly different skill sets). It just really chaps me, however, how many people are willing to write off JL, who actually had a pretty good year if you take away a couple of pick 6s, while considering JJ the best and should be the starter based on what was really a mediocre performance at best in the last two games. (let's not forget, the problem with this season, as many have noted, had less to do with problems at the QB position, which everyone knew was going to go through some growing pains, and much more to do with a defense that was largely out of sync and uninspired for most of the season).

I missed it but did people actually cheer when JL got hurt in the Ole Miss game? That's truly sad and should never happen to ANYONE wearing the purple and gold.
This post was edited on 12/18/08 at 5:32 pm
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

JJ is no superstar in the waiting,he is capable as is JL of leading the offense,but niether impress as becoming great players.The one thing JJ possesses that JL does not is escapability.When the called play breaks down JJ can produce a positive play.JL under the same circustances throws illadvised passes.I think JJ plays and is AVERAGE,JL comes in with us down 14-21 points and plays AVERAGE and we lose and put an end to an AVERAGE season


If you expect freshman QBs to be more than average your expectations and knowledge of football are crazy.
Posted by topgun1676
Clinton, Maryland
Member since May 2007
1850 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:23 pm to
Hey! I gotta give this kid some credit for at least not giving up on us. Seems like a lot of fans have given up on him already. I have not and want him to remain a tiger, but However, I still like JJ as the starter because he only had 2 games and didn't take many first team snaps until the end of the season. You can't really use statistics to warrant whether JJ is better than Lee or Vice Versa because Lee had the entire season to develop. I do believe that the time that JJ is getting to prepare for GT is going to help him succeed in the game. In my opinion, JJ will indeed light up the scoreboard.
Posted by amarti9
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
1060 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:28 pm to
I still cant believe there are people who exist in this world that are convinced that JL is the best QB we have on the roster.

And for those who put up those stats in regards to passing percentage......here's a thought.

How many more passing attempts has Lee been given vs JJ? Yea, thats right folks, when you get that many chances to throw the ball you're bound to make a lot more completions or at least half of them. Half of them to your team.......half of them to the other team. 53%
This post was edited on 12/18/08 at 5:29 pm
Posted by jmath23lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
811 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:29 pm to
TigerinSoCal, I agree with you completely. I can't say it enough, but the points I've made are meant to support Lee. He's a kid that did nothing this season but bust his arse to try and win ball games for LSU. It was despicable that people booed him when he got hurt against Ole Miss.

Both Lee and Jefferson are important pieces to the team, and I hope they both get the opportunity to show what they can really do. Lee was thrown into a situation as the starter that wasn't supposed to be his, and Jefferson didn't play enough to really prove anything.

Here's to looking forward to a good season next year from both kids.

amarti, the whole point of a percentage is to put people on an equal level regardless of numbers. Throwing more passes does not mean you complete more, that doesn't make any sense.
This post was edited on 12/18/08 at 5:32 pm
Posted by specs1
Member since Dec 2005
10015 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

The one thing JJ possesses that JL does not is escapability.


The one thing that JL possesses that JJ does not is WINS!

JL is 4-3 in games started and finished, and the losses all came to teams ranked as high as 1 or 2 this season. Further JL has a comeback against Auburn as a finisher and 2 other comebacks against SC and Troy.

Why can't you rantards look at the facts and the stats before posting your retarded opinions and feelings. Reminds me of liberal democrats!

JUST THE FACTS PLEASE,

Jack Webb
Posted by jmath23lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
811 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:34 pm to
Specs, I agree with you, and I'm a liberal democrat.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162040 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:38 pm to
Not really. Its an awful comparison
Posted by jmath23lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
811 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:39 pm to
You're right. I just really felt the need to respond the liberal democrat part.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:39 pm to
quote:

How many more passing attempts has Lee been given vs JJ? Yea, thats right folks, when you get that many chances to throw the ball you're bound to make a lot more completions or at least half of them. Half of them to your team.......half of them to the other team. 53%


This could quite possibly be one of the most irrational post on the rant in a long time and thats saying a whole hell of alot.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40085 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:41 pm to
quote:

based off jeffersons first 2 performances, we might see Lee by the 2nd quarter of the bowl game.


did i miss something in jeffersons first 2 appearances?
Posted by amarti9
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
1060 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:41 pm to
quote:


The one thing that JL possesses that JJ does not is WINS!

JL is 4-3 in games started and finished, and the losses all came to teams ranked as high as 1 or 2 this season. Further JL has a comeback against Auburn as a finisher and 2 other comebacks against SC and Troy.

Why can't you rantards look at the facts and the stats before posting your retarded opinions and feelings. Reminds me of liberal democrats!

JUST THE FACTS PLEASE,

Jack Webb


Now Specs we've had this debate before. When looking at it initially you are right.

Auburn game: Lee brought us back.......however......he was part of the reason we were down to Auburn in the first place. BUT.....he was the MAN down the stretch...with some help from Scott and clutch play by Lafell.

SC game: 50-50. Second half the defense DOMINATED and SHUT DOWN South Carolina, who scored 17 in the first half and 0 in the second.

Troy: This works my nerves but we were down 31-3 right? Ok the defense sucked it up in the first half, but what was Lee and the offense doing? Sitting on the bench the entire first half? They got no snaps at all in the first half? So I guess they waited till the second half to finally let LSU's offense get on the field.

I mean absolutely Lee played out of his mind in the second half but he was A, not THE, but A big reason why were down 31-3. Perspective.
This post was edited on 12/18/08 at 5:42 pm
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

did i miss something in jeffersons first 2 appearances?



His inability to consistently complete passes perhaps.
Posted by specs1
Member since Dec 2005
10015 posts
Posted on 12/18/08 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

Now Specs we've had this debate before. When looking at it initially you are right.

Auburn game: Lee brought us back.......however......he was part of the reason we were down to Auburn in the first place. BUT.....he was the MAN down the stretch...with some help from Scott and clutch play by Lafell.

SC game: 50-50. Second half the defense DOMINATED and SHUT DOWN South Carolina, who scored 17 in the first half and 0 in the second.

Troy: This works my nerves but we were down 31-3 right? Ok the defense sucked it up in the first half, but what was Lee and the offense doing? Sitting on the bench the entire first half? They got no snaps at all in the first half? So I guess they waited till the second half to finally let LSU's offense get on the field.

I mean absolutely Lee played out of his mind in the second half but he was A, not THE, but A big reason why were down 31-3. Perspective.


Apparently you and I have been watching different games this entire season. For the record I've been following the Louisiana State University Tigers, based out of Baton Rouge, LA and members of the Southeastern Conference.
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