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re: illinois instead of georgia

Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:31 am to
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:31 am to
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and recent playoffs haven't always produced good champions


what does this even mean?
Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:33 am to
Lets see

The New York Giants were a wildcard that barely made it into the playoffs and get beaten by NE in the regular season, yet they are the best team in the NFL?

No really.

Fresno St. #4 seed in a regional need I say more?
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:37 am to
You're right I don't. If you want the ideal postseason...hmm.

Let's take, oh, I dunno...8 teams. We'll have them do this cool playoff thing. First round games are played in Capital One, Holiday and Gator Bowls, along with one of the Big 4 Bowls. Semifinals are two other Big 4 Bowls, and whichever bowl's turn it is to host the NC will be the finals. Cycle the Big 4 around each year. (EX: This coming year, the Sugar Bowl would be the first round b/c the NC was hosted in New Orleans last year. The Rose and Fiesta Bowls would be the semis because they're the next two to host NC games, and since it's the Orange's turn, the Orange Bowl is the NC game.)

Big 10 and Pac-10 don't want it? Forget them, then. Add the Cotton Bowl in place of the BCS bowl for the first round and have the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange Bowls cycle in the semis and finals like above. And to force them into joining? Invite no Pac-10 or Big-10 teams to the playoffs and award no national championships to teams from the Pac-10 or Big-10 until they consent to join the playoffs.


EDIT: And about NYG and Fresno State. They earned it on the field, plain and simple. If New England's the best team of all time (as many were saying prior to the Super Bowl), how come they couldn't take care of a wildcard that barely made the playoffs and that they beat in the regular season on the league's biggest stage? And if Fresno State is merely the 4th seed in a REGIONAL, for the love of all that's holy, WHY couldn't ANYONE better than them win?

Simple. In the end, those teams were the best on the field. Their record doesn't show it, but if we go by record, then Hawaii and Kansas split the championship this year in CFB.
This post was edited on 7/16/08 at 1:41 am
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:38 am to
so what

atleast those teams earned their respective titles, and there is no way to question their titles

there are usually many questions when it comes to the CFB champion and participants in the title game dont always have to earn it

i will say this, its way better than the previous "system"
Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:38 am to
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there is no way to question their titles


I just did so obviously there is a way.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:41 am to
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I just did so obviously there is a way.


sorry, i should have said "reasonably question their titles"

look, there is only one way to name a true, undisputed champ, and thats to have everyone play everyone, but thats not gonna happen

the next best way, in my opinion, is to have conference champs play in smaller bowl games and bracket towards an eventual title game
This post was edited on 7/16/08 at 1:43 am
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:41 am to
*points to above post*

Check edit on NYG and Fresno St.
Posted by MJRuffalo
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:42 am to
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there is no way to question their titles
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I just did so obviously there is a way.



You can certainly question if they were "best" but you cannot question that they were champions.
Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:44 am to
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Let's take, oh, I dunno...8 teams


So

1 OSU
8 Kansas

3 Va Tech
6 Mizzou



5 UGA
4 OU

7 USC
2 LSU

So there are still problems with this.

People said UGA didn't deserve a shot at the NC since they didn't win their division. Here they get a shot at it.

How pissed would you have been if Va. Tech beat us to win the NC? We did bitch slap them earlier in the season, but I guess that just doesn't count?

quote:


Big 10 and Pac-10 don't want it? Forget them, then.


and any credibility this idea had goes down the drain. We would quickly be back to the days of split NCs

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And to force them into joining? Invite no Pac-10 or Big-10 teams to the playoffs and award no national championships to teams from the Pac-10 or Big-10 until they consent to join the playoffs.



Who is doing this awarding?

Because the AP can do whatever the frick it wants.
Posted by MJRuffalo
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:45 am to
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Why?

There's no way you want to revert to CFB before the BCS, and recent playoffs haven't always produced good champions

See NYG and Fesno St.


Playoffs are best, then the old pre-bcs bowl system would be much better than the garbage we have now.

I believe anyone who has serioulsy benn following college football for any lenght of time now understands that it is virtually imposible to select just 2 worthy teams at the end of the year to play for a mnc. It is just impossible so why try in the abscence of playoffs. The entire bowl slate has been downgraded because of the bcs. I wish we could just scrap it, but sadly I don't see it happening.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:46 am to
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How pissed would you have been if Va. Tech beat us to win the NC? We did bitch slap them earlier in the season, but I guess that just doesn't count?


well sure we would be pissed

but we would have no valid complaint about the system and what it produced
Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:46 am to
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EDIT: And about NYG and Fresno State. They earned it on the field, plain and simple. If New England's the best team of all time (as many were saying prior to the Super Bowl), how come they couldn't take care of a wildcard that barely made the playoffs and that they beat in the regular season on the league's biggest stage? And if Fresno State is merely the 4th seed in a REGIONAL, for the love of all that's holy, WHY couldn't ANYONE better than them win?


Because shite happens in sports. I fail to see how NE's one loss in the SB makes up for all of NY's losses in the regular season.

Or how Fresno St.'s terrible regular season allows them the right to call themselves the best team in CBB
This post was edited on 7/16/08 at 1:46 am
Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:47 am to
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You can certainly question if they were "best" but you cannot question that they were champions.


I questioned the validity of their circumstances when they won the title.

Just as you USC fans questioned the circumstances of LSU's sugar bowl in 04
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:47 am to
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Because shite happens in sports. I fail to see how NE's one loss in the SB makes up for all of NY's losses in the regular season.

Or how Fresno St.'s terrible regular season allows them the right to call themselves the best team in CBB


so, youre in favor of people just voting who's the best?

thats just fricking stupid

ugh, this is getting brain numbing
This post was edited on 7/16/08 at 1:48 am
Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:49 am to
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so, youre in favor of people just voting who's the best?


No I'm in favor of teams having to actually perform the best all season long to be allowed a shot at the title game.

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thats just fricking stupid



So is having a 47-31 CWS champion.
Posted by MJRuffalo
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:53 am to
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I questioned the validity of their circumstances when they won the title.

Just as you USC fans questioned the circumstances of LSU's sugar bowl in 04


Way different. One instance it was decided on the field, the other was decided by a poor and faulty system.

ftr had Notre Deam beat Syracuse then it would have been USC vs. Oklahoma, still denying the 2 top teams a shot. The system was broke, was changed but is still broke as it is impossible to select only 2 worthy teams in most years.

Posted by MJRuffalo
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:54 am to
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No I'm in favor of teams having to actually perform the best all season long to be allowed a shot at the title game.


THat is how they do it in Euro soccer domestic leagues. Everyone plays everyone else home and home and whoever is on top of the standings at the end is champion. That system is just not feasible for American sports especially football.
Posted by TheEdge
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:56 am to
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One instance it was decided on the field


I mean technically both were decided on the field.

If USC had lost to Michigan or LSU had beaten the hell out of OU we wouldn't be having this discussion.

So this discussion was in fact created on the field.

quote:

the other was decided by a poor and faulty system.


Which is what I'm saying the CWS is.

quote:

impossible to select only 2 worthy teams in most years.


So its better to throw in teams like Mizzou and Va Tech that haven't done anything to prove their place all season or have gotten beaten down when they played another team in those playoffs that year?
Posted by TheEdge
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 1:57 am to
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That system is just not feasible for American sports especially football.


But you see the BCS does require a team to perform the best it can all season long.
Posted by VooDooSaintsFan48
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Posted on 7/16/08 at 6:51 am to
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or they knew georgia had a good shot at whipping that usc arse.


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