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re: If JR comes back in 2007 and we win the Title
Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:18 pm to tubucoco
Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:18 pm to tubucoco
Our defense did not give up 50 points to either UGA or UF this past year. We had some pick 6's that are figured into those scores.
You seriously can't hold Pelini responsible for a defense he didn't coach.
You seriously can't hold Pelini responsible for a defense he didn't coach.
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Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:24 pm to Rocket
SlowFlowPro............change your avatar to this please:
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:25 pm to Rocket
quote:but we are talkin about schemes and it was his scheme LSU was playin, you know the bend and bend, but don't break.
You seriously can't hold Pelini responsible for a defense he didn't coach.
dude you can argue all you want about Pelini's defensive scheme over Saban's, I don't care because I don't hear you.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:29 pm to tubucoco
quote:
dude you can argue all you want about Pelini's defensive scheme over Saban's, I don't care because I don't hear you.
I never said it was better or I preferred his scheme over Saban's. I said it could be just as effective and the results indicate so.
You've basically admitted you don't care about points and results, only scheme. That's why you're not a football guy.
Saban's way isn't the only way. He's had plenty of defenses allow more than 200 points/season.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:45 pm to Rocket
quote:you keep talkin about points and results when in fact Pelini's defenses have shut down no one, no one worth anything anyway, his defense could not stop Kentucky's Woodson or Arkansas Dick at all, they basically took naps in the pocket.
You've basically admitted you don't care about points and results, only scheme.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 6:56 pm to tubucoco
quote:
you keep talkin about points and results when in fact Pelini's defenses have shut down no one, no one worth anything anyway, his defense could not stop Kentucky's Woodson or Arkansas Dick at all, they basically took naps in the pocket
We lost 6 games with Pelini coaching the defense. His first two defenses allowed fewer points than Saban's last two defenses at LSU.
The results are there.
That 2007 defense had issues. Nobody has refused to acknowledge that. We had injuries. I'm not convinced scheme was the problem. You can attack and Saban does that and he's had his arse burned plenty.
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:08 pm to Rocket
quote:Saban's 2003 defense was a dominant defense so no way in hell any Pelini coached defense tops it, if you think that your crazy, as for the following year I would expect it to dropoff with wholesale changes everywhere and training new faces.
His first 2 defense allowed fewer points than Saban's defense last two defenses at LSU.
you wanna talk about '05, then why the hell didn't Pelini's D shutdown Tenn in the second half and why did they get blown out by Ga. in the SECCG? oh yeah, that's right, fatique.
you got a case in '06, but once again your talkin about a much different program than Saban inherited.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:13 pm to tubucoco
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Saban's 2003 defense was a dominant defense so no way in hell any Pelini coached defense tops it
The 2003 defense allowed 11 points/game.
The 2006 defense allowed 12.6 points/game.
You think there is that much of a difference?
quote:
if you think that your crazy
Who said I thought any of Pelini's defenses were better than the 2003 defense?
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for the following year I would expect it to dropoff with wholesale changes everywhere and training new faces.
Excuses, excuses, excuses
quote:
you wanna talk about '05, then why the hell didn't Pelini's D shutdown Tenn in the second half and why did they get blown out by Ga. in the SECCG? oh yeah, that's right, fatique.
Why didn't LSU stop Iowa and why'd we get assfricked by UGA in 2004?
If the scheme was beyond reproach, that wouldn't have happened.
quote:
you got a case in '06, but once again your talkin about a much different program than Saban inherited.
That '06 and '05 defense allowed fewer points than the 2004 defense. How much do you think the program changed between 2004 and the Miles Era?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:28 pm to Rocket
quote:
Who said I thought any of Pelini's defenses were better than the 2003 defense?
quote:then you go on to contradict yourself
His first 2 defenses allowed fewer points than Saban's last two defenses.
quote:thought they allowed fewer?
The 2003 defense allowed 11 points/game.
the 2006 defense allowed 12.6 points/game.
quote:a lot, if you don't know that by now then your the one on the short end, and strangely you always insult me by sayin I'm not to bright or I don't know football, wtf makes you an expert?
How much do you think the program changed between 2004 and the Miles Era?
certainly not this argument. Saban got the wheels turning in motion that put LSU in the position it is in today, with every top athlete in the country considering going there now. the early days were a struggle, but finally broke thru with 2003 and has been on a roll ever since then.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:32 pm to tubucoco
quote:
then you go on to contradict yourself
I didn't contradict myself.
Pelini's first two seasons combined allowed fewer points than Saban's last two seasons combined
2003 and 2004 combined points allowed: 359
2005 and 2006 combined points allowed: 349
quote:
thought they allowed fewer?
Combined, yes.
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a lot, if you don't know that by now then your the one on the short end, and strangely you always insult me by sayin I'm not to bright or I don't know football,
Tell me what changed in a year. What changed between 2004 and 2005 that would have given Pelini and Miles such a great advantage. You think the personnel changed that much in a year?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:34 pm to tubucoco
quote:
his defense could not stop Kentucky's Woodson
49-0 (in 2006)
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:38 pm to TheDoc
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49-0 (in 2006)
He's probably pissed at you right because that doesn't go along with his bias.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:39 pm to TheDoc
2007 Woodson, Woodson was a inconsistent QB back then anyway.
and why would I get pissed he's not proving anything, and wtf Doc, you his cheerleader or something?
and why would I get pissed he's not proving anything, and wtf Doc, you his cheerleader or something?
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:41 pm to tubucoco
this is what yo said:
then you specify:
what about 2006?
a shutout is pretty good right?
and it was still woodson...
quote:
his defense could not stop Kentucky's Woodson
then you specify:
quote:
2007 Woodson
what about 2006?
a shutout is pretty good right?
and it was still woodson...
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:42 pm to tubucoco
quote:
and wtf Doc, you his cheerleader or something?
nope, just bored and fricking with you
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:42 pm to Rocket
I'm biased, and your frickin blind, I'm giving this BS argument of yours a rest, adios.
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:42 pm to tubucoco
quote:
2007 Woodson, Woodson was a inconsistent QB back then anyway.
and why would I get pissed he's not proving anything, and wtf Doc, you his cheerleader or something
Tubucki, why did UTAH run all over Bama?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:44 pm to tubucoco
quote:
I'm biased, and your frickin blind, I'm giving this BS argument of yours a rest, adios.
Why?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 7:45 pm to Rocket
look Rocket, I'm tired, I like you, your cool, but your a biased Pelini blower, that is cool, peace.
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