re: I know this has been discussed b4 but....

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at what point of the season did Miles bench an upperclassman for a redshirt freshman???

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When Jarrett Lee started the Florida, South Carolina and Georgia games. Possibly the Mississippi State game, as well, but since Hatch didn't actually play in that game at all, his injury might have been the deciding factor there. But since he had both carries and passes in those three games, he clearly was healthy enough to play, but Lee started ahead of him anyway.

WELL, if you really think that Holliday is utilized properly, then I can't help you my friend! All, I can say is that I am glad that Holliday came to LSU instead of going to Florida because Meyer would have utilized him in a way that would give us nightmares about him (Holliday)

find where I said that we would still have been 7 and 5

Have any of you ever heard of the term "Monday Morning Quarterback"?

Paullsu I could not have said it better.

These are the same people who supported JL over jj. Robbob continues to knock jj.

What world does this guy live in!

first of all, we are 8-5...and you talk about our ignorance concerning NCAA football
I don't understand your question though.

yes GOTYGERS, as I said earlier, I supported JL while everyone else booed him only because I wanted to WIN!!! But, when I saw JJ play in the Ole Miss game, I was ready for JL to be done.

One characteristic about LSU fans that has been a constant through the years regardless of the team record or head coach: The QB on the sideline holding the clip board is the best QB on the team (not changing anytime soon with Shep coming to town).

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first of all, we are 8-5

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You were talking about the decision making during the season. If it had turned out worse, we may not have ended up in a bowl game at all. Thus, the 12 regular season games are the only ones we know would have occurred regardless.

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I don't understand your question though.

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The point is, I believe that Les Miles, through years and years of experience and training, has developed a great deal of ability at evaluating talent and utilizing it to maximize his teams' chances of winning and his programs' chances for success. I believe that he used that ability in deciding -- for some reason of which I do not pretend to know -- that playing Jordan Jefferson earlier in the season would have been worse for the program than not playing him. I repeat, I do not pretend to know why he decided that, only that he did.

I also believe that many, if not a great majority, of true freshman develop a great deal more capability over the course of their first year even if they don't play in games. Thus, the fact that a true freshman displays a level of ability in the 10th, 11th, 12th or 13th game of a season does not necessarily suggest that he would have been capable of similar performances in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd games, or even the 7th, 8th and 9th games. As such, Jefferson's outstanding performance last night and his mediocre (at best) performance against Arkansas do not necessarily mean that he would have been playing this well all season if he had started playing from week one. It is entirely possible that he would have played even worse than Lee or Hatch did early in the season, and that his mistakes could have cost us games that even Lee's and Hatch's mistakes did not cost us. Thus, it is possible that playing him earlier could have led to a worse season than we had.

Obviously, it is also possible that playing him early could have led to a much better season than we had. He could have picked up the offense earlier and gained the confidence and control that he displayed last night and led us to 9, 10 or even more wins. The potential certainly appears to be there.

But given that both possibilities exist, a choice had to be made weighing the likelihood and consequences of each possibility. And of all the people whose opinions on the choice we know (including you, me, most of the rant, and the LSU coaching staff), only one group has both the years of experience in how to correctly make those decisions AND the direct knowledge of the players involved necessary to make such a decision.

Thus, I find myself far more convinced by their judgment than the post-facto arguments of someone who has no known experience at either evaluating college football talent or deciding how to utilize it, as well as no direct knowledge of the players involved.

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You were talking about the decision making during the season. If it had turned out worse, we may not have ended up in a bowl game at all. Thus, the 12 regular season games are the only ones we know would have occurred regardless.

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:lol:

dude, you work too hard to back your way out of anything and everything!!! I would hate to be your wife, or husband for that matter. It's ok, you made a mistake, you thought we were 7-5 when we are actually 8-5...you can admit it! Hey KING JOEY, it is dark outside right now...can you argue with that??? I guess you would finally figure out that the sun is up right now in Rome, and that is where you are at the moment, in which case you could disagree with me! hahahahah